Bots in PartyPoker's 6-max Limit games?

[htc]

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HTC = RAY....

Slightly different style, but no capital letters. 2 posts... Curious.

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NO way, ray is much more kind to you guys than i am. i posted here the first time a couple years ago about botting and was compared to a child molester/terrorist by members here. its so very hard for me to keep from going nutz *&%&*$$ing here. ray has np doing that. check me out on the forum--htc--some have called me support there but its been a while.

don't extend rays suspension ban me again i have been before and don't really give a [censored] if it happens again.

except this is the only time i have used htc for a sn here kinda like it as thats MY name. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

htc

[RayBornert]

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So exactly how are we to stop bots if we dont try to extract some info from these posters ?

The clients ARE turning a blind eye to bots , and I do believe some are actively encouraging them ,full tables + rake + no complaints = good news for clients.


So the onus is on the online poker playing public to do something here , the clients will not do it until they are severly pushed and even then they only carry out token gestures.
So I say lets these guys post , eventually they will slip information which may be useful .
Take the example where big business software companies actively employ hackers to test their security , this comes from realizing that they cannot defeat the hackers without trying to understand their methods.

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wing,

you cannot persectute and suppress trackers botters teamers
and then expect them to discuss what they know.

if they remain silent to avoid retribution then knowledge does not flow.

if they post threads with the knowledge sought they are persecuted.

trackers botters and teamers are going to continue to do
those things regardless of persecution - there's a 3 year
track record of this.

most of them would rather share what they've learned in an
open discussion.

ray

[JHRoman]

Ok...here´s both a serious, yes Ray serious, tip and a ditto question for Ray:
Why on earth are you insisting on writing without the big letters to start the sentence, and with the unortodox disposition?? It makes your posts so much harder to read, and you may notice that noone else writes that way.
I hereby declare I will refuse to read anymore of your posts, by this reason alone. At the other hand I promise I will continue to read them (and get angry about your opinions) if you start writing like the rest of us. Reasonably readable, that is.

[RayBornert]

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Ok...here´s both a serious, yes Ray serious, tip and a ditto question for Ray:
Why on earth are you insisting on writing without the big letters to start the sentence, and with the unortodox disposition?? It makes your posts so much harder to read, and you may notice that noone else writes that way.
I hereby declare I will refuse to read anymore of your posts, by this reason alone. At the other hand I promise I will continue to read them (and get angry about your opinions) if you start writing like the rest of us. Reasonably readable, that is.

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i read both styles equally well.

after 10+ years of daily internet
posting, emailing, chatting, etc.
this is has become my preferred style.

the other half of my time is spent writing
software in lower case. i converted to all
lowercase source code in the late 90's.

it requires less wrist energy overall.

ray

[suzzer99]

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But the real problem will be when AI will be world-class, we shoud expect that in 10 years

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I think when and if this ever happens, we will be worried about a lot bigger issues than online poker. If computers could ever garner the kind of intelligence and creativity it takes to be a world class poker player, combined with their processing power, there will be almost nothing they can't do.

[fluorescenthippo]

side note:

guy in my spanish class today admitted to having several bots on different poker sites playing usually 3/6 and clearing bonuses, then moving to different sites.

[utility]

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But the real problem will be when AI will be world-class, we shoud expect that in 10 years

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I think when and if this ever happens, we will be worried about a lot bigger issues than online poker. If computers could ever garner the kind of intelligence and creativity it takes to be a world class poker player, combined with their processing power, there will be almost nothing they can't do.

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Why does Battlestar Galactica come to my mind reading this?

Anyway seriousness aside, I guess chances are higher that the human race will wipe itself out in some way before AI bots will ever reach a world-class level in say NLHE poker.

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[suzzer99]

Well hmmm. After reading this whole damn thread, I'm trying to come up with a best guess as to what the "stable" state of online poker will look like 10 years from now. I just don't see it being that easy for bot makers to continuously register with new addresses, risk having their funds confiscated, and risk detection by us or the sites themselves--for them to somehow overrun poker. They're just too easy to detect, and in *us* - have a dedicated, highly motivated, very intelligent team of trackers constantly on their asses. They may be able to sneak in and bite of a chunk here and there, but it's just too easy for a human to know it's playing a bot. Especially once we've been awakened to their existence and have an idea what to look for. As long as we keep vigillant, and the sites at least *react* to what we find, we are the [cheater site]'s worst nightmare.

Just look at how easy these bots were shut down by a screen modification. All a site has to do is something like this when it has a suspected bot. None of the bots filter back online for a few days, after running nonstop for weeks. Pretty close to proof there. The game just becomes so much easier for the sites, once a suspiscion has been raised about a group of bots. Which is where we come in. It would be nice if the sites had a dedicated team working harder than we do. But that probably isn't going to happen. It seems to me like if we just stay alert and suspicious, we can force the programmers to do so much work to evade us that they might as well be playing themselves.

I mean yeah they can get better about chatting, varying their play, etc. But these recent PP bot programmers had to work their asses off to find a winning style at these high limits. Now they have to find ways to vary their stats among bots and still all win. More hard work. This whole idea of winning bots replicating to the point of killing poker, w/o being detected, just doesn't seem tenable now given this example.

This might be naive to think we can keep sniffing them out. I don't know. But I guarantee we make life a lot tougher on these guys than it would otherwise be.

Also online poker could die from a number of other causes, I just don't see it dying, either entirely or as a viability for human pros, just because bots choked the life out of it. Of course this kind of thinking could lead to complacency... which could lead to exactly that.

[suzzer99]

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But the real problem will be when AI will be world-class, we shoud expect that in 10 years

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I think when and if this ever happens, we will be worried about a lot bigger issues than online poker. If computers could ever garner the kind of intelligence and creativity it takes to be a world class poker player, combined with their processing power, there will be almost nothing they can't do.

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Why does Battlestar Galactica come to my mind reading this?

Anyway seriousness aside, I guess chances are higher that the human race will wipe itself out in some way before AI bots will ever reach a world-class level in say NLHE poker.

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Yeah I'm not thinking so much about some kind of Terminator machines taking over the earth thing (not immediately anyway). But computers/robots will be able to do just about any job a human now does, most of the time much better, which will make things really really weird. As a disruptive force the AI explosion will make the internet explosion look like a little puff of a wind. If it ever comes to pass.

Of course there's a lot of little AI advancements that can and will happen and help poker bots, etc. I'm talking about some kind of giant leap forward in AI like the poster suggests is coming in 10 years (like you could have a schedule for something like that - sorry but you can't plan monumental breakthroughs like you can incremental improvements). When I think of what it takes to be a Daniel Negreanu. If a computer could do that, that's when the [censored] hits the fan.

[Max on wh]

would any one like to try playing against a table with a few bots? not for real money, see how you do...its all free. would you guys be interested?
sorry if this post has no capital letters...i did not mean to make anyone cry...