New Fight Question

[DeadMoney_J]

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So they've proven it, just that nobody besides themselves have ever actually seen the proof?

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And those who employ them for specific jobs, obviously. But that isn't information that would be made public, it isn't a sport or spectacle. Do you believe that there aren't people with that kind of experience working for the military, or are you leaning toward it being a myth since we don't know them personally?

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I'm going with myth. Even getting into the world of SMUs and other operational teams of that nature, if a team member has to "square up" with another person and kill them, then something (probably numerous things) would have to of gone extremely wrong.

Not even just referencing SEALs, but unarmed H2H combat is not focused on or trained to with any significant frequency anywhere in the SOF/SMU community (to include CIA SAD) to the best of my knowledge. Then, even with this training, it generally assumes that you are able to catch your opponent off guard and utilize your enviroment. And it most certainly incorporates Krav and MMA principles.

[GiantBuddha]

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Traditional martial arts rarely deal with ground fighting and grappling. Those that do don't train in it as extensively as they do other areas.

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While this is for the most part true, to be the best traditional martial artist in the world, you'd have to be proficient in defending against all these things. You don't need to be good at grappling to defend against grappling. You just need exceptional timing and the knowledge of where to hit. There's always something to hit.

The thing is that MMA and Boxing are basically sports. So there's rules. And the athletes train with these rules in mind. In this hypothetical scenario, there are no rules, so many of the most effective strikes which are normally not allowed will be where the money's at.

[The Truth]

A few things need to be defined for us to be able to set a proper order.

Clearly, the UFC beats everyone.

To determine the rest of the order,


1. World's best karate and or other Asian martial arts.
needs to be further defined. A karate trained person falls much lower than say TKD which would fall lower than BJJ. So, this must be clear.


2. Worlds best street fighter from a gang or whatever.

Does this encompass anybody that does not fall into the other categories?



Most of the "Best in the world" fighters are going to share strategy. The best street fighter in the world will use MMA/UFC strategy even if he doesn't know that he is using them. A navy seal has intro BJJ etc. So, he will share MMA strategy.

Alot of undefined areas.

My list with stipulations:

UFC fight
Street fighter (assuming this list includes everyone not on the list already, and this fighter can use all strats)
Navy Seal
Boxer
Karate guy


There could exist a natural fighter that is soo talented he could over come the training gap (or has enough training/natural ability) to be the UFC fighter.

Navy seal is 3rd because he is stipulated to be elite at hand to hand combat. It is also possible that he could be 1st just because he is sooo naturally talented that he overcomes the training gap.

There is a smaller total pool of Navy seals, so putting them 2nd would be crazy. Street fighter could include Army rangers and other elite by the guidelines I am following.


Boxer is 4th because he is stipulated to be a good boxer. This is not fight to the death fighting.

Karate is 5th because boxing technique is stronger than karate technique for fights to the death.

[TheFaucet]

If Sklansky didn't specify that it was an Asian martial art it would have been much closer between the MMA guy and the martial artist, as Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu is highly effective on the ground.

[Whose2know]

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Street fighter.

There are way more street fighters than any of the other groups. Just like because of the sheer number advantage will push the decision in their favour even if they are on average less skilled.

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wtf are you talking about. This is 1v1

[quadT]

I know a guy who trains special forces (including seals) in hand to hand combat. this is where he put it:

1. UFC,
2. boxer
3. seal tie with karate...depending on a lot of factors
5. street fighter

[KingNeo]

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David,

I think I'd rank them as follows:

World's best ultimate fighting champion
World's best karate and or other Asian martial arts.
World's most elite Navy Seal as far as hand to hand combat is concerned.
World's best boxer
World's best real streetfighter from a gang or whatever.

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[quadT]

i asked him "doesn't the seal learn how to kill people"

his response

"yes, with a H&K MP5, M16A1 and probably with a 50 cal barreet snipier rifle, if they go to war and they are using their bare hands something [censored]'d up happened"

[DeadMoney_J]

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i asked him "doesn't the seal learn how to kill people"

his response

"yes, with a H&K MP5, M16A1 and probably with a 50 cal barreet snipier rifle, if they go to war and they are using their bare hands something [censored]'d up happened"

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[img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] I don't know who told you this but that is wrong. The general idea is correct, but as for SEALs training with M16A1s, that is incorrect. MAYBE an M16A4 but that's as close at it gets. The standard equivalent weapon trained with is the M4A1 (typically fitted with the SOPMOD kit when in an operational enviroment).

[GiantBuddha]

This thread is filled with assumptions and conjecture. The OP stated BEST of each category, thus the answer is clearly:

Which ever fighter has the most effective combination of athletic ability, rigorous training, useful technique, practical experience, and the will to kill. Not one of these factors can be discounted or assumed to be even among the five fighters.

This question and the answers posted seem similar to asking "which of the following is most likely to win a HORSE tournament?"

1) The best Hold'em player in the world
2) The best Omaha player in the world
3) The best Razz player in the world
4) The best Stud player in the world
5) The best Stud-Eight player in the world

My answer would be almost the same as my answer to this question.