My Side of the Story

[Richard Tanner]

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This is Vanessa Rousso, I don't have a webcam so I am sorry I cannot post a picture of me holding a sign...lol...I am not too familiar with posting in forums such as these, so I wouldn't know how to post a picture regardless. Anyhow, I just intended to make my side of the story known so that people could more objectively evaluate the facts.

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And you came to an internet forum??? [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
In any case, it's always good to have those that are actually players in the tournies we read about here. Welcome aboard.

Cody

[ESKiMO-SiCKNE5S]

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This is Vanessa Rousso, I don't have a webcam so I am sorry I cannot post a picture of me holding a sign...lol...

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how convenient....

[Photoc]

Sad thing is people actually care about this thread. I just popped in here to see how much stupidity is being spread around the WPT forum tonight. Man, people need a life. Most of the people here weren't at the tourney, will never meet Vanessa or even talk to her, yet they spend their time in this forum whining, crying, arguing over what was and wasn't the right thing to do.

[tom10167]

I tried a new cereal this morning. It was like cinnamon buns or something, pretty damn good. I learned that hippo means "water horse" and that flamingos are pink because of what they eat and the salt that surrounds them constantly.

I'd go jogging now if it weren't so damn cold out.

[andre006]

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We don't need anymore Hellmuth's and Matusow's. We will never stop these types of people from playing the game.

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WTF!!!!!!!!

[grdred944]

Good post Vanessa.

The issue is not slow-rolling or asking to see hands. The issue is the double standard that so-called established pros place on newer players. It appears to me as if Vanessa made every attempt to correct and/or apologize for any potential impropriety at the table. Rather than say, "OK newbie -- no harm, no foul," the reactions varied pretty much based on the bitterness of the people involved.

If on The Circuit James Van Alstyne did talk about Vanessa not shaking his hand, he should be popped upside his head. Who cares. I watched Layne Flack in the 2004 US Poker Championships pretty much run away from the table after being busted out. He was not happy about being busted and I don't remember that being a topic of conversation -- no harm no foul.

The double-standards that the established players place on up-and-comers is nothing more than bitterness. They love the big prize pools that come with large fields but show nothing but animosity if someone breaks into their circle. And God forbid if that someone happens to be a woman.

[Million$$$Man]

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[TwoOuter]

It's interesting that in the "Hot or Not" post Ms. Rousso says:

"As the pot was given to me, she said, "I had Jacks." To this, I replied, "I'm sorry then, what a cold deck, I got really lucky."

And in this post, she says:

Liz mucked her hand, but maintained that she had pocket jacks (which would have given her a full house on the turn). After she said that, I said, “Liz, wow, I got really lucky then with that river, sorry.”


With all due respect, if you're going to defend yourself by specifically quoting what you said, be consistent. This makes it sound like you're not really sure.

Just a pet peeve from someone who worked for a newspaper for many years. I hate inaccurate quotes. Sports reporters were always the worst.

[deaders]

Wow, this forum brings the retards out of the woodwork - if you are seriously suggesting that the following two statements are inconsistent then you probably should look for a job that doesnt require the ability to comprehend basic english.

"I'm sorry then, what a cold deck, I got really lucky."
“Liz, wow, I got really lucky then with that river, sorry.”

[thedarknight]

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Good post Vanessa.

The issue is not slow-rolling or asking to see hands. The issue is the double standard that so-called established pros place on newer players. It appears to me as if Vanessa made every attempt to correct and/or apologize for any potential impropriety at the table. Rather than say, "OK newbie -- no harm, no foul," the reactions varied pretty much based on the bitterness of the people involved.

If on The Circuit James Van Alstyne did talk about Vanessa not shaking his hand, he should be popped upside his head. Who cares. I watched Layne Flack in the 2004 US Poker Championships pretty much run away from the table after being busted out. He was not happy about being busted and I don't remember that being a topic of conversation -- no harm no foul.

The double-standards that the established players place on up-and-comers is nothing more than bitterness. They love the big prize pools that come with large fields but show nothing but animosity if someone breaks into their circle. And God forbid if that someone happens to be a woman.

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how do you know what the established pros feel about upcoming players? I think they don't give a rat's damn. U think Phil Ivey is getting jealous over amateurs? You haven't even listened to The Circuit and you're making statements on James Van Alstyne's etiquette. Listen to the Circuit first then judge.

Also if you think double standards are being placed, how come no one reported bad etiquette on Eric Schoenberg who also made it deep and is an attractive woman? To attribute her bad possible etiquette to lack of experience is a bit of a stretch. She's already played several tournaments, including several WSOP circuit events. I think she would eventually have an idea what proper etiquette is. And furthermore, when you were a noob, did you slow roll during your first live games? A total noob would usually not have the idea to slowroll by saying "nice hand" then flipping up quads.

Before we keep continuing this on and on, this is just a classic he/she said. In this case, the players said/she said. Jean and Liz aren't just make up $hit out of thin air, also it may not have been bad as what they have stated too.