sometimes the lightbulb goes off - some serious ownage at 100 200

[peachy]

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interesting

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thats not the only word for it....

[Gildwulf]

If I really cared, here's what I would have said first in response to James

1) lol at a carpal tunnel making fun of someone for spending too much time on 2+2
2) 10/20-20/40 is not really "low limit grinding" but I can see how it might look that way to a high-stakes player, point taken
2) at least half a dozen players on this site can vouch that I have a v. good understanding of SH limit
5) I gave you tons of outs in my 2nd response to not look like a douchebag, why on EARTH did you not take it

Luckily, I don't care

[Paluka]

James I hate to pile on, but I sorta agree with these guys. In the BBV forum, no matter how good your play is people are allowed to tell you it is atrocious. But people are still overreacting.

[Gildwulf]

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James I hate to pile on, but I sorta agree with these guys. In the BBV forum, no matter how good your play is people are allowed to tell you it is atrocious. But people are still overreacting.

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The play is fine in certain situations given certain opponents given certain reads, etc., etc., etc. But OP posted it blind with no reads and essentially said, "look how awesome I am". I don't think people are overreacting.

[Paluka]

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James I hate to pile on, but I sorta agree with these guys. In the BBV forum, no matter how good your play is people are allowed to tell you it is atrocious. But people are still overreacting.

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The play is fine in certain situations given certain opponents given certain reads, etc., etc., etc. But OP posted it blind with no reads and essentially said, "look how awesome I am". I don't think people are overreacting.

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This is the BBV forum. Who cares whether he play was good or not. He pwned.

[James282]

I took your first joke fine, and then you chime in with 'only thing worse than OP's hand...' which was to Kurosh and obviously serious.

To all of you who think I'm acting high and mighty,

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James, wtf? I thought you always seemed pretty cool, why are you suddenly pulling this "stfu i play 3/6 you n00b low limit grinder" stuff?

Peachy, wow for once I actually agree with you.

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Lol, first the guy makes a mock 'fyp', which is fine. Then he goes and makes a post where he says 'only thing worst than the OP's hand...' which is pretty smug and retarded. I don't care what limits people play, and as you can see, I offered helpful responses to those who made legitimate points on the hand. but when someone is making backhanded comments about my play in a hand that i didn't post for a strategy discussion, I talk back. Sorry if this strikes a nerve with you people for whatever reason.
-James

[Josh.]

I understand why you capped the turn. But my point is on THIS particular board he’s value raising you a lot which covers for his bluffing hands. On a board where there would be fewer value raising hands I could see the re-bluff. But here, I think he’s in a situation where he should either call down or fold with his mediocre hands. There is no need to play back with Q high and with K high, if you think it’s worth a bluff, you’re probably better off calling down. You’re probably checkraising with outs and a 3-bet will not stop you from drawing at him. So he can just call down and guarantee that 2 bets will go in. by 3-betting he is letting YOU dictate how many bets go in the pot. He is just praying you won’t cap, and that it stays at 2 more bets. You have the power to make it more.

so my whole argument is based on the fact that he shouldn't be 3-betting the turn much without a hand. the only reason i can see is to deter you from taking shots at him. but then again, calling down with K high vs 9 high is a pretty good deterrent, isn't it? i always kind of slump in my chair and get this sheepish grin on my face and remind myself not to try that again when i do it.

as for the first checkraise, i don't think i said i didn't like it. i just like doing it on the flop more, but i do it sometimes to mix it up on the turn. i just really hate that paired deuce. but then again, overpairs are going to 3-bet you anyway. i just happen to prefer checkraising if the turn is a Q or J as opposed to a deuce.

i did a little analysis of the turn cr in terms of what hands can call and what won't. it's not that interesting but i did the work so i'll post it anyway.

i used my hijack range: 55+, A7o+, A2s+, K9o+, K8s+, Q9o+, Q8s+, JTo, J8s+, T8s+, 98s

ok I had to make one assumption. Since he can have KQ-K9, it’s unclear whether he’ll fold those. I think it’s reasonable to say that maybe 25% of the time he looks you up with K high (25% representing 25% of all players who fit his description which is pretty low IMO). So we’ll say KQ calls and KJ-K9 folds (little more than 25% because you have a 9)

hands that fold: KJ-K9 (44 combinations), QJ-QT (32), Q9s (3), JTo (16), J9s (3).

The 2d, 8d, and 6d are accounted for. So KJd-K9d, QJd-QTd, JTd, J9d will all call here. So take away 7 combinations and we get 91 combinations

Hands that won’t fold: above diamond combos (7), AT+,A7 (96), A9-A8 (24), A6s-A2s (17), KQ (16), K8s (3), Q8s (3), J8s (3), 98s (2), 55,88,99,66 (12), 77,TT+ (36)

That’s 219. so according to this, which is not completely accurate (assumes that he’ll always bet the flop and turn, among other things) but gives a pretty good picture, he’ll fold enough to justify checkraising. If he calls you down with K high then it becomes incorrect. Personally, I do it on the flop but I like to wait for the turn sometimes. I think the flop is a bit better but for the sake of mixing it up and buying yourself some action the times you have a big hand here.

I do think getting 3-bet by a lot of hands (looks like it could be by up to 20% of his range) makes the situation worse than it looks. I think once you checkraise the turn and he calls, it’s probably not worth a bluff. But then again, I guess it doesn’t matter much since you’ve committed yourself to following through on the river in case he has Q, J, T-high diamond draws.

[spamuell]

Now there's a "you people"? RACIST.

[yvesaint]

lol this thread is funny

[James282]

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If I really cared, here's what I would have said first in response to James

1) lol at a carpal tunnel making fun of someone for spending too much time on 2+2
2) 10/20-20/40 is not really "low limit grinding" but I can see how it might look that way to a high-stakes player, point taken
2) at least half a dozen players on this site can vouch that I have a v. good understanding of SH limit
5) I gave you tons of outs in my 2nd response to not look like a douchebag, why on EARTH did you not take it

Luckily, I don't care

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I don't care about not looking like a douchebag, mostly because I was joking back with you. The low limit grinder stuff is said intentionally to get a rise out of you. Relax.
-James