Straight flush mucked at 200nl Foxwoods? - Page 5

0524432 · #41 10-11-2007, 02:19 PM

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How do you implement any justice here?

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Wait for muppet in parking lot.
Kidnap muppet.
Force muppet to withdraw size of pot from ATM and give it to you.
Drag muppet to tattoo parlor and have "One player to a hand" inked in an ornate tramp stamp.
Drop muppet off at biker bar.
Drive back to cardroom and beat Villain out of the all his money.

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IDK how the results were leaked, I'm the only one who knew..? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

Mr Rick · #42 10-11-2007, 02:20 PM

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turns up 35h in front of his stack and across the line on the table

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This really doesn't seem to be 'tossed his cards face up toward the muck'

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How so? Villain was in seat 2 and extremely close to the muck. Are you kidding?

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You said "turns up", not "tosses toward the muck". From your description, they were in front of him, not in front of Seat 1 or the Dealer.

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In seat 2 at FW the guy had to throw or toss his cards to get them face up across the line.

There are some dealers at FW that would have scarfed up his cards and buried them in the muck, before they came to a stop. Most won't though.

*TT* · #43 10-11-2007, 02:22 PM

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Hero becomes furious, claiming nobody turns their cards up over the line at the table and says anything like "I had you til the [censored] river" when they're are going to be calling.

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You took your fury out on the wrong person. Unless you really want to just win a pot on a technicality. The guy to be pissed at is the showdown mope.

It sucks that it happened, but let it go. I'd be more concerned with making sure the idiot knows to shut his yap when not in a hand.

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Considering the muppet with the mouth in this case was barely spoken to and not punished in any form. Hero lost real $. Villain would not have won that $ if not for the muppets' comment. How do you implement any justice here?

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You don't implement justice, the floor does. Until you start working for Foxwoods its not your yob mang! Complain to the floor next time, explain how his actions cost you significant amounts of dolla bills. He will give the guy a time out or something but your not getting your money back.

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Is that ok with you if that was the ruling? What is your personal opinion, as both Hero and Villain?

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lol, my opinion of hero isn't good because he cant seem to move past the subject matter, therefore we might also assume you wouldn't be very convincing to the floor that something should be done to the loud mouth... sounds like your trying to bee a thorn in their side rather than ask for a fair ruling.

But if I am wrong about your communication skills and I were the floor I'd agree to pull the loud mouth away from the table to have a talk with him. Rack him up and get him a table change so the game can proceed without any animosity. But that is as far as I would go unless the loud mouth did it again in the future.

0524432 · #44 10-11-2007, 02:23 PM

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Crossing the line does not determine a bet, raise or fold.

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Room depending.

My room, it's it's ruled a bet.

Betting lines suck.

As far as it being considered a fold? Usually it isn't, but it's much more subjective.

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Bernie - even in your room the line is a primary measure but not an absolute measure. They will allow other factors to weigh a decision, consider it like the muck - everyone thinks its magical but in reality cards can be fished out if its in the best interest of the game and the cards can be determined.

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Are you saying your call would be that which apparently is the std ruling (at this point)? After everyone at the tbl hearing the villain say "I had you til the [censored] river" and flipping his cards up over the line (which he obv assumed was muck, nobody just throws cards randomly away from them when they're calling) can you honestly ship Villain the $?

SellingtheDrama · #45 10-11-2007, 02:23 PM

As I see it, Villain intended to fold, however my psychic divinations (or the floor's) are not a valid factor to determine the outcome. Since there was no explicit fold, the hand should still be live*

Hero should be rightly pissed - at the bigmouth who interfered with the hand. I would reseat Hero or Bigmouth, if not both of them.

*If Foxwoods has a rule about not exposing a hand in play, the hand should be killed for violation of this rule. I do not know if such a rule exists.

KenProspero · #46 10-11-2007, 02:23 PM

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If the floor is competent then the hand is ruled live provided the villain calls or raises and the loudmouth is given a time out/table change/warning.

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We're talking about foxwoods, so that's a bit IF

0524432 · #47 10-11-2007, 02:25 PM

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*If Foxwoods has a rule about not exposing a hand in play, the hand should be killed for violation of this rule. I do not know if such a rule exists.

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Good question, does anyone know for 100% sure?

RR · #48 10-11-2007, 02:26 PM

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turns up 35h in front of his stack and across the line on the table

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This really doesn't seem to be 'tossed his cards face up toward the muck'

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How so? Villain was in seat 2 and extremely close to the muck. Are you kidding?

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You said "turns up", not "tosses toward the muck". From your description, they were in front of him, not in front of Seat 1 or the Dealer.

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In seat 2 at FW the guy had to throw or toss his cards to get them face up across the line.

There are some dealers at FW that would have scarfed up his cards and buried them in the muck, before they came to a stop. Most won't though.

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Placing cards face up on the table is not a fold. The dealers that would take his cards need additional training. Of course since they were face up and everyone saw them the dealer snatching them wouldn't make much of a difference.

*TT* · #49 10-11-2007, 02:26 PM

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Crossing the line does not determine a bet, raise or fold.

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Room depending.

My room, it's it's ruled a bet.

Betting lines suck.

As far as it being considered a fold? Usually it isn't, but it's much more subjective.

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Bernie - even in your room the line is a primary measure but not an absolute measure. They will allow other factors to weigh a decision, consider it like the muck - everyone thinks its magical but in reality cards can be fished out if its in the best interest of the game and the cards can be determined.

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TT, what is your personal opinion of the scenario? Are you saying your call would be that which apparently is the std ruling (at this point)? After everyone at the tbl hearing the villain say "I had you til the [censored] river" and flipping his cards up over the line (which he obv assumed was muck, nobody just throws cards randomly away from them when they're calling) can you honestly ship Villain the $?

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Yes. This isn't a moral issue, its a standard ruling.

As a side note if the hero continued to harp about the ruling and it interfeared with the game I'd ask the hero to leave. I'm 100% positive that the Casino Control/Gaming Board/Whatever its called in CT would agree with the ruling.

*TT* · #50 10-11-2007, 02:27 PM

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*If Foxwoods has a rule about not exposing a hand in play, the hand should be killed for violation of this rule. I do not know if such a rule exists.

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Good question, does anyone know for 100% sure?

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only a few casinos have this rule, generally its allowed in heads up play. considering the ruling its safe to assume at Foxwoods your allowed to turn your hand heads up at the river before making an action.