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03-02-2006, 12:58 PM
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Re: Party loses another one to Stars
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Another good thing about Stars is that if you ever decide you want to cheat, the only thing you lose if you get caught is the money you won while cheating! [/ QUOTE ] Actually, thats a good thing. If somehow you get falsely accused of cheating, at least you won't be wiped out totally. [/ QUOTE ] You are absolutely correct. Any player that is advocating a site should take a player's entire online bankroll even in the event of proven cheating is not thinking clearly, IMO. Only funds that are directly linked to the cheating should be confisicated and naturally that player be permanently banned. PokerStars got this one right and the action they took should be applauded by us players. The position Party took in this case (total confisication of funds) should have been railed against by us players. Players need to ask themselves what if they were falsely accused of cheating and their entire bankroll was wiped out? There have been many cases where people are falsely accused, get convicted, and then serve jail time. [/ QUOTE ] You people are tripping. 
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#42
03-02-2006, 01:11 PM
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Perhaps we should just do away with jail then. Should I try to lower the prison sentence for murderers because one day, I might be falsely accused of murder and convicted? Maybe I should try to get rid of Megan's law cause I might one day be falsely accused of child molestation. [/ QUOTE ] If an innocent person is accused of a crime, they: A) Hire a lawyer B) If they can't afford one, have one appointed for them C) Are tried by a jury D) May later appeal their conviction/sentence if it was unfair E) May appeal to the public for support, ie: through the media F) Any police, attoneys, etc, who behaved improperly may be subject to repercussions including criminal sanctions There is a system of checks and balances in place. It doesn't work 100%, but at least the system tries to give the accused a fair shake. If an innocent person is accused of a cheating on a poker site, they: A) Email/phone/fax the site B) Post on boards like these And that's it. Players have no real recourse! There is no system of checks and balances, players do not have the right to an appeal nor to any representation whatsover. Do you really think poker sites are going to get it right 100% of the time? Are you high? Half the posts in this forum are poker sites screwing up in some way or another! You really want them to have the right to arbitrarily seize anybody's funds at any time for any reason? Crazy, man, crazy!
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#43
03-02-2006, 01:27 PM
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No joke at all. If I was falsely accused of cheating, say collusion at a .50/1.00 table where I won 30 bucks for the session, I wouldn't want them to have the right to take my 50k bankroll. [/ QUOTE ] No offense, but if you are dumb enough to leave $50K in a site where you are playing .50/1.00, then you are too stupid to have any money.
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#44
03-02-2006, 01:40 PM
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Re: Party loses another one to Stars
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[ QUOTE ] No joke at all. If I was falsely accused of cheating, say collusion at a .50/1.00 table where I won 30 bucks for the session, I wouldn't want them to have the right to take my 50k bankroll. [/ QUOTE ] No offense, but if you are dumb enough to leave $50K in a site where you are playing .50/1.00, then you are too stupid to have any money. [/ QUOTE ] are the 16 other posts youve written just as bad as this one? it might help if you think before you flame. bwana
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#45
03-02-2006, 01:41 PM
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leaving b/c you are not vip is pretty lame. you didn't meet their requirements - meet them or don't expect being a vip. plus, the vip hardly makes it worth playing on party...the games are what makes it good [/ QUOTE ] I did meet their requirements
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#46
03-02-2006, 01:56 PM
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Wow, I'm very very surprised so many poker players agree that the sites should have supreme power to confiscate entire bankrolls on the assumption someone has cheated in any way.
I'm sorry to disagree, but this kind of absolute power would lead to much abuse and threaten to undermine the trust people would have that their money is safe in poker sites. I personally would withdraw daily if such a policy was widespread, and then only deposit small amounts to just fund what I needed for that days play.
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#47
03-02-2006, 02:12 PM
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Re: Party loses another one to Stars
Party does not care about you. You barely affect their bottom line. The only way that they will give you VIP is if you far exceed their expectations. Just chisiling away to do the minimum will get this kind of response.
Personally, I know that I am a small fish. I dont get VIP offers or other promotions from party. I got zero from them when they were giving away bonuses and promotions. It does iritate me some times. However I still play at Party because it is a good site for me to play at. Eventually when I get to high enough limits I hope that I will be taken care of. Until then I dont worry about it. Greg
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#48
03-02-2006, 02:22 PM
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Re: Party loses another one to Stars
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] No joke at all. If I was falsely accused of cheating, say collusion at a .50/1.00 table where I won 30 bucks for the session, I wouldn't want them to have the right to take my 50k bankroll. [/ QUOTE ] No offense, but if you are dumb enough to leave $50K in a site where you are playing .50/1.00, then you are too stupid to have any money. [/ QUOTE ] are the 16 other posts youve written just as bad as this one? it might help if you think before you flame. bwana [/ QUOTE ] My other posts are much worse. Personally, I don't need a $50K BR to play .50/1.00 (I'm assuming NL here). The OP may have multiple accounts that he spreads his $50K across, so I guess there could be a reason why you would need to keep this much cash on the site. I hadn't thought of the multi-account possibility. What other reason would someone have for needing to keep $50K on a site where you play .50/1.00 tables?
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#49
03-02-2006, 02:25 PM
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I personally would withdraw daily if such a policy was widespread, and then only deposit small amounts to just fund what I needed for that days play. [/ QUOTE ] As mentioned in my REALLY bad post, this is a good idea regardless. Nothing good can come from leaving excess money on a poker site.
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#50
03-02-2006, 02:26 PM
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Re: Party loses another one to Stars
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Another good thing about Stars is that if you ever decide you want to cheat, the only thing you lose if you get caught is the money you won while cheating! [/ QUOTE ] Actually, thats a good thing. If somehow you get falsely accused of cheating, at least you won't be wiped out totally. [/ QUOTE ] You are absolutely correct. Any player that is advocating a site should take a player's entire online bankroll even in the event of proven cheating is not thinking clearly, IMO. Only funds that are directly linked to the cheating should be confisicated and naturally that player be permanently banned. PokerStars got this one right and the action they took should be applauded by us players. The position Party took in this case (total confisication of funds) should have been railed against by us players. Players need to ask themselves what if they were falsely accused of cheating and their entire bankroll was wiped out? There have been many cases where people are falsely accused, get convicted, and then serve jail time. [/ QUOTE ] Perhaps we should just do away with jail then. Should I try to lower the prison sentence for murderers because one day, I might be falsely accused of murder and convicted? Maybe I should try to get rid of Megan's law cause I might one day be falsely accused of child molestation. You might be a dumb@ss if you think that a site was too harsh against a player that was cheating you. [/ QUOTE ] Wow! I think the discussion is what is the appropriate punishment for the offense that occurred. No where did I suggest that no punishment should have taken place. I will take my chances with the cheating players, because guess what, they will always be cheating players. If I think I am being cheated I would be running away from that table and that site if I thought they were not any taking steps to control it. I never want to give the Poker Sites a green light that it is OK with me to sieze players funds with carte blanche authority because a player might have accidentally violated their terms & conditions. Any player that does not come to a similar conclusion, I think really needs to think about this a little more deeply than just, "Let's fry the cheater!" Everything is always not so black and white. Punishment should fit the crime. Period! I believe Stars happened to get this right and their punishment was appropriate.
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