200 NL, KK in a sick spot, 200+ BB deep.

[SABR42]

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I cant see a vulnerable hand like T9 checking the turn. He might check the river, but he's not going to give a free card to a 3-better who just checked. If he had clubs, wouldnt he semi-bluff here? I would think the most likely hands would be set, or overpair.

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Wow, I think it's the complete opposite.

Villain almost never has a set here. He'd try to build a pot with a set by either raisng the flop or betting the turn.

T9 and flush draws check this turn a lot too. T9 checks for pot control, and flush draws don't want to get check-raised off the hand.

[tarheeljks]

that's what i figured. nh sir.

[mce86]

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I cant see a vulnerable hand like T9 checking the turn. He might check the river, but he's not going to give a free card to a 3-better who just checked. If he had clubs, wouldnt he semi-bluff here? I would think the most likely hands would be set, or overpair.

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Wow, I think it's the complete opposite.

Villain almost never has a set here. He'd try to build a pot with a set by either raisng the flop or betting the turn.

T9 and flush draws check this turn a lot too. T9 checks for pot control, and flush draws don't want to get check-raised off the hand.

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I guess it just depends on what he is thinking then, and what he thinks Hero has....I think all lines of thought seem reasonable..just which one is villian using is the question....reads are paramount.
Sabr, getting 3-1, you think youre bwinning this 1 out of 3 times? I dont mind the fold, I think youre not getting murdered in the long run if you make some calls here against an unkonwn. Might be slightly -EV..slightly +EV, and I rarely fall in love with KK btw....

[tarheeljks]

T9, and flush draws check behind here the vast majority of the time.

[SABR42]

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Sabr, getting 3-1, you think youre bwinning this 1 out of 3 times?

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Honestly, I think I'm good here about 10% of the time.

[mce86]

Probably right. And in the middle of writing this I just got killed...goddammit!

[Kos13]

Good fold...I think you had him until the river, but you played it well.

[hielo_uno]

reraise 65 is horrible. this is 2p2, so no donkey advise plz! you are never going to make money that way. as for the hand, i bet/fold the turn , is he calls then c/c the river to a small bet.

[effang]

NH. I don't know why you're betting that river though. If villain is any good, you could be turning your hand into a bluff.

Did you have any stats on villain? if he's aggro, i would like to c/c the river.

i would play it differently though. I bet this turn because the fd is coming. and i really think this deep, QQJJ are definately going to call 2 bets at the min.

[dw2006]

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NH. I don't know why you're betting that river though. If villain is any good, you could be turning your hand into a bluff.


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LOL no way, not betting KK on the river would be giving up a ton of value.