KQs vs. LAG

[NoahSD]

Pot it and call a shove for the reasons speed limit gave. Depending on metagame, I might just open shove here.

Edit: I don't know how much I wanna say about this.. but metagame in these spots is really interesting. With 2x the pot, you have the ability to force him to commit his whole stack when you only have to pay half of it. Abusing this well is difficult and subtle, but very profitable.

One of the things that separates the people making like 8-10 PTBB from those making less is their ability to recognize how stack sizes ACTUALLY affect a situation--as opposed to the sort of SSNL wisdom which just says when deep drawing hands are good and marginal hands are bad.

[Wu36]

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wtf c/f the turn please (unless of course he is giving you direct odds)

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i think we can crai if he bets that small
<font color="white"> yeah i just felt like trolling</font>

[2Paul2]

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Depends how lightly hes peeling the flop. If hes calling with less than an A a significant amount of the time or folds a weak Ace to a turn bet a significant amount of the time then betting is obviously best. Otherwise check/fold. This turn gets checked through and decent amount of the time though.

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[Fat Nicky]

i would crai in this situation like, never. but if we know he's floating us, then isn't crai the best play here? this is assuming he's floating w/air (or a pocket pair &lt; A) and will try to take the pot away on the turn.

[Isura]

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Pot it and call a shove for the reasons speed limit gave. Depending on metagame, I might just open shove here.

Edit: I don't know how much I wanna say about this.. but metagame in these spots is really interesting. With 2x the pot, you have the ability to force him to commit his whole stack when you only have to pay half of it. Abusing this well is difficult and subtle, but very profitable.

One of the things that separates the people making like 8-10 PTBB from those making less is their ability to recognize how stack sizes ACTUALLY affect a situation--as opposed to the sort of SSNL wisdom which just says when deep drawing hands are good and marginal hands are bad.

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Well, you can be in the samoleus school and call to fold river even with 2x pot left on turn.

[Spy Dog]

If I feel that there is a good chance he is floating then I CRAI.

Otherwise, I check-call with odds and check-fold without odds.

[Imrahil]

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But guys, someone who is 38/28 doesn't seem capable of folding any A. CRAI would be bad because he'd call with any A right and he might fold an A to a bet?

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He'd fold an A if we bet but call a c/r with one?

Wait, what!?

This guy has a very wide range for calling the flop. Of course an A doesn't fold, but lots of other pairs do.

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I'm saying a CRAI will never get him to fold an Ace because of the pot odds but he may fold a weak Ace to a second barrell. Pretty sure that makes sense.

[4_2_it]

This is the kind of ultra drawy board that hero is always betting the turn with 2 pair or a set so I like a bet, especially if hero has a decent tight image.

[Poker_is_Hard]

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Pot it and call a shove for the reasons speed limit gave. Depending on metagame, I might just open shove here.

Edit: I don't know how much I wanna say about this.. but metagame in these spots is really interesting. With 2x the pot, you have the ability to force him to commit his whole stack when you only have to pay half of it. Abusing this well is difficult and subtle, but very profitable.

One of the things that separates the people making like 8-10 PTBB from those making less is their ability to recognize how stack sizes ACTUALLY affect a situation--as opposed to the sort of SSNL wisdom which just says when deep drawing hands are good and marginal hands are bad.

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Can you explain this a little more, or point me in the direction of some information that could help me understand what you talking about here?

[thedustbustr]

against a tag i'd check/fold, ak gets paid off by worse aces all the time here.

against this guy you might as well shove for $200.