Sites should take these steps immediately...

[smoore]

1) One account uses neteller, another uses firepay, another uses....

2) Transfer the money to your "real" account.

3) Gnome. I've had friends offer to help me defraud the sites in this way... I tell them about the money you can make just from bonus whoring and they offer thier personal details to me in order to create a new gnome. I ran the numbers and decided it wasn't worth the possible penalties. ID theft isn't even really a defined crime here in colorado so an ID thief could make gnomes with abandon (and sell them to poker cheats?).

[CrayZee]

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The OP has previously tried to organize a labor union for poker players, so I'm sure you will have his support.

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lol

How about the "Communist Poker Party"?

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You know Odoyle, you make a lot of noise for someone who is not very good at poker.

[Jimmy The Fish]

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Can someone please explain this to me?

What I really don't understand is how these guys can cashout money to Neteller? (I personally use Firepay coz its cheaper but I assume that Neteller operates on the same principles) I mean doesn't you name and email address have to match on your pokersite account and Neteller account have to match? And Neteller requires ur real name, ssn, and bank info to be verified. So how could the websites not recognize multiple accounts with the same email address cashing out to the same Neteller account?

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In the Party case, if I understand correctly, the second account was set up using his grandmother's information.

Anyone can set up both a NETeller and a Firepay account (using different e-mail addresses for each), and could create two accounts at poker sites by fudging some of the non-unique details (different name spelling, physical address across the street, etc.) Account A is funded by Firepay, and Account B is funded by NETeller. NETeller and Firepay both tie to the same bank account, but the poker sites can't see that.

[ctj]

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At least in my humble opnion online poker would be helping themselves, the players and the the longterm health of online poker if they took these steps immediately...

No more than one account from the same IP can enter a MTT...
(obvious)

Clearly declare datamining against the rules and take steps to prevent it, including the sharing or pooling of hand histories among players....

Declare the use of heads up displays as an unfair advantage and ban the use of them...

Either make rakeback completely above board or eliminate it...

Some may disagree and I understand why, but if all these things took place, we would all be better off...(once again in my humble opinion)

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Another step the sites should take it the elimination of inter-account $$ transfers (or limit it to a small amount, like $100). This would make inter-account money-laundering more difficult and risky.

Requiring ID from high $$ finishers in tournaments might also be a good idea.

Also, sending a 1099 (or another country's equivalent) for tournament cashes over $10,000 could help, because then the person who lends his identity to the multi-accounter becomes involved in tax fraud, thus increasing the risk and decreasing the number of willing accomplices.

[Cheeseburglar]

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Also, look at it this way... anyone can set up two computers in the same room, one with a regular broadband connection, the other with a cheap dialup connection to a completely different ISP in a different state, used solely for online poker collusion.

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Why settle for dialup? I don't think there's any limit to the number of DSL lines you can pull into your house, from one or more phone companies, plus cable.

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I was just demonstrating how effortless and inexpensive it would be to do this. Also, a DSL connection is associated to your name / address.

[mroels]

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In the Party case, if I understand correctly, the second account was set up using his grandmother's information.

Anyone can set up both a NETeller and a Firepay account (using different e-mail addresses for each), and could create two accounts at poker sites by fudging some of the non-unique details (different name spelling, physical address across the street, etc.) Account A is funded by Firepay, and Account B is funded by NETeller. NETeller and Firepay both tie to the same bank account, but the poker sites can't see that.

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Well I figured something like that but the dude had 9 accounts??? I can think of using IGN/e-check for one, Firepay for one, Neteller...but for all 9??...especially since FP/NT will notice if more than one acct goes to the same back acct.

[MicroBob]

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I personally use Firepay coz its cheaper

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my transaction to and from the poker-sites from neteller are free.
Is Firepay cheaper than free?

[Payoff]

The funny thing is online poker has done just fine so far without most of this crap.

[Our House]

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Online poker was NEVER an equal playing field. You can't now all of a sudden try to make it an equal playing field and knock down the computer savvy people because they are smart enough to come up with ways on having an advantage.

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This is silly. The goal of all online poker sites (ask them if you want) is to generate the closest possible clone to offline games. I'm pretty sure if you walked into any poker room and sat down at the table with a laptop, calculator and a yellow post-it pad to label all your opponents, that the nearest floorperson would have some words for you.

The better you are as a poker player, the less benefit you'll receive from tools and aids. I don't claim to be even close to the best, but I'm aware of the fact that there are many, many players worse than me using (and benefitting more than I am from) these tools. If their edge increases more than mine does, how does that NOT hurt me?

Being tech savvy should have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO with having an edge at poker. Personally, I'd like to see all real-time tools and aids completely banned from online play. I'm fine with PokerTracker.