hand reading exercise - Page 5

TheCount212 · #41 06-14-2007, 03:10 PM

great post. So what's the answer? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

KarmicDebt · #42 06-14-2007, 04:29 PM

Im thinking AxKd or KxKd here. Slow down on the flop with the intention of raising so you can check behind for a free showdown on the river if the flush doesn't get there. The raise on the turn also makes it very expensive for utg (asian old guy) if he has a 3 or 5 drawing for the gutshot. Also, after three betting on the turn, if mp is willing to bet into you after the board pairs on the river, you gained a lot more information. If mp is fairly straight forward in his playstyle, you might lay down AK here.

Christian_Peters · #43 06-14-2007, 05:50 PM

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PB never has a flush here for two reasons.

1. This is like the worst flop/turn line to take with a made flush. Why would you want to face the calling station with 2 BB cold when you can easily get him to call a flop cap, probably drawing dead? The same goes for AxKd. PB simply has too much equity with two cards to come not to cap thee flop.

2. Given the action, I think a river raise is in order with a flush.

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You forget the third reason:

3. What flush is he going to have that 4-bet's PF? K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]? I don't think so.

MitchL · #44 06-14-2007, 06:20 PM

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PB never has a flush here for two reasons.

1. This is like the worst flop/turn line to take with a made flush. Why would you want to face the calling station with 2 BB cold when you can easily get him to call a flop cap, probably drawing dead? The same goes for AxKd. PB simply has too much equity with two cards to come not to cap thee flop.

2. Given the action, I think a river raise is in order with a flush.

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You forget the third reason:

3. What flush is he going to have that 4-bet's PF? K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]? I don't think so.

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HOly crap fpr some reason I thought he was the 3-bettor.

JJH3984 · #45 06-14-2007, 06:37 PM

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PB never has a flush here for two reasons.

1. This is like the worst flop/turn line to take with a made flush. Why would you want to face the calling station with 2 BB cold when you can easily get him to call a flop cap, probably drawing dead? The same goes for AxKd. PB simply has too much equity with two cards to come not to cap thee flop.

2. Given the action, I think a river raise is in order with a flush.

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You forget the third reason:

3. What flush is he going to have that 4-bet's PF? K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]? I don't think so.

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I think its in the bottom end of his preflop range considering a maniac opened and someone threebet to isolate.

shane88888 · #46 06-14-2007, 07:24 PM

Against a with a spew monkey and a probable isolator, I think KQs is certainly in the range. I wasn't in the hand and I wasn't the OP, but it's not out of the question. Just unlikely.

I also don't think it's likely given the flop action (in a live 6/12 game).

EDIT: typo

JJH3984 · #47 06-14-2007, 07:50 PM

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Against a with a spew monkey and a probable isolator, I think KQs is certainly in the range. I wasn't in the hand and I wasn't the OP, but it's not out of the question. Just unlikely.

I also don't think it's likely given the flop action (in a live 6/12 game).

EDIT: typo

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agree. i think its time for results.

TheCount212 · #48 06-14-2007, 07:59 PM

As I said in my first post on this, given the maniac's presence in the hand I believe that even QdJd is a likely holding for the OP.

Xhad · #49 06-14-2007, 08:00 PM

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As I said in my first post on this, given the maniac's presence in the hand I believe that even QdJd is a likely holding for the OP.

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QJs is still a drawing hand even against a maniac and an iso3bet.

scorcher863 · #50 06-14-2007, 08:03 PM

Given that your playing against an old crazy chinese man and a young (which i interpret as inexperienced) player, i figure you four-raised with KdQk because you believed you were ahead that hand.

You were raising, as much as possible, on the flop and turn for value because you were holding the nuts.

When the board paired on the river, you checked, fearing your were up against trips and now a full boat.
*it is likely this naive young player was overvaluing a pocket pair preflop*