Focus on the Family [censored] Warning About the 6/8 IGREA Hearing

[TheEngineer]

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For a group who claim to be loving (FOF, not Christians in general) ...

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[political rant]That is the most utterly remarkable thing about the religious right. Look at many of their isues and ask "Is this something Jesus would do." I mean, Pat Robertson publicly called for the execution of someone for Christ's sake.[/political rant]

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Yep. SOME of them "love the sinner and hate the sin"...except that they hope the sinner dies from AIDS and burns in hell. Again, it's good to understand our opponent and the ways in which they communicate.

[TheJared]

No one actually cares what these people think and if we dignify them by a response we only give them more power. Anyone whose going to be swayed by their arguement wasn't going to be on our side in the first place.

The best effect we can continue to have is make our own voice heard instead of trying to stamp out anyone elses.

[TheEngineer]

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No one actually cares what these people think and if we dignify them by a response we only give them more power. Anyone whose going to be swayed by their arguement wasn't going to be on our side in the first place.

The best effect we can continue to have is make our own voice heard instead of trying to stamp out anyone elses.

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Agree. We shouldn't debate them, but we do have to try to match their activism by writing and calling Congress, the Treasury Dept, and the DOJ, IMO. I posted this so we'd all know what they're up to in terms of activism, plus a little bit about how they think to enhance our understanding of our adversaries.

[Jerry D]

The lunatic fringe Republican religious nuts don't have to play poker if they don't want too - and NO ONE IS FORCING THEM TOO. But they shouldn't stop me from doing what I, as an ADULT in a free country wants to do with his money. That is the problem with the current Republican party - they DO NOT BELIEVE IN SEPERATION OF CHURCH AND STATE, and think the state should stop people from doing things that they consider 'sins.' These Republican Focus on the Family people also want to outlaw R rated movies, Playboy magazine, and make it illegal for music artists to put out cd's that have any cuss words in them.

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"I will never, ever vote for another Republican." ~ Doyle Brunson

[Cactus Jack]

Groups like this have pushed the Republican Party to the brink of disaster. The lunatic fringe has had control, but it's pretty obvious the leadership is trying to pull it back. If they don't, they'll be the minority party for a very long time. It's gone too far.

These people have become the equivalent of the tree-huggers on the left side. Lots of noise, but nobody listening anymore. The President maybe, but he's already a lame duck.

Personally, I'm not returning to the Fifties.

[whangarei]

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"I will never, ever vote for another Republican." ~ Doyle Brunson

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Just curious, where is Doyle quoted as saying that?

[Jerry D]

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"I will never, ever vote for another Republican." ~ Doyle Brunson

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Just curious, where is Doyle quoted as saying that?

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He has said it all over the place in numerous interviews. He said it on Fox News when the ban first happened, he said the same on Late Night Poker, and other places. There are search engines on the internet you can use to find things like this.

[TheEngineer]

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But if you and others just can't help yourself and feel it necessary to blowhard about the nuances of morality because of your personal distaste with and disagreement with the overall positions of FOF and their allies, then go ahead.

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Other "blowhards" include Barney Frank, who (effectively, IMHO) mentioned the lack of a gambling prohibition in the Bible on the House floor at today's IGREA hearing. Maybe you should let him know your opinion on the topic.

I personally feel it's effective to show the hypocracy of our opposition. We shouldn't get into a theological debate with FOF, but the simple statement "there's no gambling prohibition in the Bible" goes a long way to showing that our opponents oppose gambing not for religious reasons, but simply becuase they don't like.

[Legislurker]

What it comes down to is stewardship. You are called on by God to be a good steward of your money. Even if you yourself are making a profit, someone is paying you and paying the rake. So the fish are sinning by being bad stewards of their money. Without getting into the differences between mainstream protestant denominations and the modern evangelical/charismatics, a simple way of putting it is.........The better you do with your money, the more favor from God you have incurred. Part of the whole sales pitch(and these people are AWESOME at sales) is get God, get a better life, and money is a big part of it.

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So a government which is trillions of dollars in debt (and rising) feels that it possesses the moral fiber to lecture its constituents about financial stewardship? I don't think so. I mean, I understand your post, it's just that it's obvious what BS the argument is. These "good Christians" are such philistines. They build out of crystal these multi-million dollar air-conditioned cathedrals while people starve and die in Africa and elsewhere. Repulsive.