Obvious Collusion at *edited* (Long -Cliff Notes at bottom)

[Bicycles_Biatch]

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Can you guys please keep arguing about this? I still have to write a paper that's due in like 10 hours and have a class in 8 hours and the newhizzle/cassidy match is over so I need something to occupy myself with.

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i think i am done. no one is this stupid. this has to be a leveling attempt. i have been gotten.

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a) I don't know what a leveling attempt is... info please

b) I do think you are a winning poker player and either your ignoring the facts or you've snapped off a couple of these teams and they just stay out of your way

c) Why would I waste an hour of my time making this stuff up... I don't particularly care about the $1500 I dropped today... I'm flying home in 8 hours... and my friend (who you said plays like crap), doesn't play that game. I have no vested interest in making any of this up.

[PokerBob]

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HOWEVER, if you really think that people who play short handed 30-60 are in the habbit of 4-5 betting preflop to drive out a middle player or a blind... then that same player check folds the flop... you're high

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your bro did the same thing. care to address that?

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NOT true... my bro... the one with the glasses check raised the flop several times short handed with something like bottom or mid pair... then if he ran into resistance and the opponent 3 bet him... he would get away from the hand. Not sure if this is weak strategy or not, but that is for another forum.

However, at NO time did he have a hand that he folded on the flop after putting in 4 bet preflop... that is just a lie.

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ugh. he raised preflop and got 3bet from the blind. he called. flop QT8. he raised the flop and got 3bet. when he is closing the flop action, he is getting 13:1, yet he folded. in your retarded OP, you say Anyone that plays limit poker never folds the flop for one bet in an eleven bet pot

i think you are very very dumb.

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Not true... if its the hand you are talking about the flop was Q-10-2...

The under the gun limper was the one driving the action ( he had a set of dueces) and my brother was in the BB with Q-10.

He got in several bets on the flop and turn... then said out loud... "you got a set of dueces"... and he check called the river.

I think you have this hand backwards.

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wrong. this is not the hand i am talking about.

i distinctly recall the hand because i thought "wow. that guy sure played his hand dumb."

[Bicycles_Biatch]

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Can you guys please keep arguing about this? I still have to write a paper that's due in like 10 hours and have a class in 8 hours and the newhizzle/cassidy match is over so I need something to occupy myself with.

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Sorry... I'm tired and ready to go to bed... the only reason you got this much response is cause my girlfriend is fighting the red-parade and wasn't in the mood for any whoopie. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[HOWMANY]

btw here is the last time I thought people were colluding before I just decided they were terrible. Villains in this hand were talkative with each other during the couple hands before this one.

20 game I just sat in a couple minutes ago with a bunch of people I have never played with because I used to leave at 5am when my 40 game broke but I can't sleep any more these days so I play 20 if it is still going. I post in the CO and it folds to me where I raise KTo. Button is some chick and as you know chicks are passive and bad at poker. She 3bets. Dude caps from sb. I fold. Flop K93 and it checks around here and after turn/river blanks. SB has AQs and wins and button mucks. So button had to have AT/AJ which I haven't seen many woman 3bet before regardless of positions. Then SB never bets after capping pf. For my very first hand at the table this seemed pretty unusual. Then I decided that this would be the most retarded way to collude ever because nobody ever raises preflop and folds when it comes back to them capped and that I am just wrong. There are tons of other spots where people make really weird limps/reraises that make no [censored] sense at all, and having played with most of the people that make these nonsensical plays it is pretty obvious by now that they are all just horrendous players and trying to put them on a thought of any kind is an exercise in futility.

BTW I have seen people limp preflop and fold after a raise or complete their sb in like a 6 way limped pot and fold when it comes back to them after the bb raises, as well as people raise pf and fold to 3bets more times than I could possibly count. I have seen people fold face up OESD on rainbow unpaired boards on the turn in huge pots because they "feel unlucky" and they "never make straights".

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BTW, "my friend (who you said plays like crap)" suggests to me that your friend is terrible because even though I have never met PBob I have no doubt that he is one of the biggest winners in this game. Terrible players that think they are good often comment on other players like they know what they are talking about and they also often think the most random terrible players are good. I know for a fact that there is 1 absolutely HORRENDOUS player that plays 8/16 in the place where I normally play has pointed me specifically out as a huge fish which I thought was absolutely hilarious at the time because when I was told about what he said it was right after I had left a 40 game after playing all night with a bunch of retards. I suppose it is somehow possible that I am a victim of my own theory and that I am in fact a fish who thinks other people are terrible that are good, but considering I don't play 90% of my hands like the guy that fingered me as a fish I'll keep going with my assumptions.

[Vehn]

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I'm done wasting my time arguing with people that don't want to observe the game.

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you have two pros who have played thousands of hours in the game and hundreds of hours with those two individual players (one of which plays once a week at most) and are telling you you're wrong, and yet we're the ones not observing the game?

[PokerBob]

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Can you guys please keep arguing about this? I still have to write a paper that's due in like 10 hours and have a class in 8 hours and the newhizzle/cassidy match is over so I need something to occupy myself with.

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i think i am done. no one is this stupid. this has to be a leveling attempt. i have been gotten.

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a) I don't know what a leveling attempt is... info please

b) I do think you are a winning poker player and either your ignoring the facts or you've snapped off a couple of these teams and they just stay out of your way

c) Why would I waste an hour of my time making this stuff up... I don't particularly care about the $1500 I dropped today... I'm flying home in 8 hours... and my friend (who you said plays like crap), doesn't play that game. I have no vested interest in making any of this up.

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a.) leveling = being sarcastic.

b.) you are the only one on 2+2 who think i win.

c.) myself and vehn have already said that we do not think there is collusion in this game. i will ask bk, schneids and worm33 to give their opinions as well, but i suspect that they will agree with us. if (more likely WHEN) they do, i will be anxious to hear your response, as some of the best limit minds around will have disagreed with you.

as far as your buddy, i know he doesnt play that game. i only played with him because my friend was playing 6/12 and came over to tell me about an idiot/table coach who was in his game, so i decided to play in it with him. he was right.

[Bicycles_Biatch]

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I'm done wasting my time arguing with people that don't want to observe the game.

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you have two pros who have played thousands of hours in the game and hundreds of hours with those two individual players (one of which plays once a week at most) and are telling you you're wrong, and yet we're the ones not observing the game?

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No offense... but my definition of "PRO" is something a little higher than a guy playing 30-60 and squeeking by.

I know the cost of living out here is WAY lower than LA... but I don't see how a "pro" could live in a state that allows the MAX bet of any poker game to be $60???

You'd have to play a ridiculous amount of hours or get absurdly lucky to make a living playing at this limit.

[Bicycles_Biatch]

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b.) you are the only one on 2+2 who think i win.

c.) myself and vehn have already said that we do not think there is collusion in this game. i will ask bk, schneids and worm33 to give their opinions as well, but i suspect that they will agree with us. if (more likely WHEN) they do, i will be anxious to hear your response, as some of the best limit minds around will have disagreed with you.

as far as your buddy, i know he doesnt play that game. i only played with him because my friend was playing 6/12 and came over to tell me about an idiot/table coach who was in his game, so i decided to play in it with him. he was right.


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I do think you're probably a winning poker player (small sample size of observation of course)...

However... your statement about my friend is ridiculous.

Why would you possibly play 6-12... or ANYTHING lower than the biggest game available just to see if my friend was being an obnoxious A-hole???

That doesn't make any sense. He likes to play poker and blow off steam... and yes... he doesn't play great cause he's used to LA and NL... but your statement about changing games makes NO sense.

[HOWMANY]

Thank god, I thought you were actually going to sleep. I was afraid I'd have to start this paper.

[PokerBob]

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You'd have to play a ridiculous amount of hours or get absurdly lucky to make a living playing at this limit.

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that or just be good at poker.