Would You Try It? Live Shenanigans (long rambling post)

[Heir_Aparent]

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different hand. i agree with you about the 'moral', but in your hand you were goading him the whole time, his line was a bluff inducing line, and the board was not scary. in OP's hand, there is no trash talking going on, his line is designed to AVOID bluffs not to induce them, and the flush just hit on the river. totally different.

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there's a big difference between board and action in OP's post and yours.

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Uhm, a shove after a check is much different than a shove after a bet no? Your scenario is completely different.,

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some of you are being stupid. i didn't say the hand or action was similar, the similarity i referred to was the scenario of a guy who's about to quit the game and is playing his last hand. krantz thinks in that situation the guy would be more likely to fold a non-nut hand in order to finish "winner"; i told a story where someone put in 400bb's in that spot with AA. even after the top card on the flop paired on the turn (i guess that's not a scary card at all though).

doesn't matter if it's their "last hand." ppl don't fold aces. ppl don't fold sets. reading a guy not only for aces, but for a SET OF ACES, and trying to push him off of it--with, what, about a pot-sized raise left?--is not going to end well very often.

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the fact of the matter is the board is very different, an that is important to villain.

i may be drunk but i realize that a 3 flush and str8 board is more scary than paired 7 high board to pocket aces, set or no set. this is just fact.

Also, the scenario dictates that a set of aces has to respect a push a lot more than yours does. AA is more deepstacked as it is ur post. A Push is like 3k~ more here. a bet on that dry board in ur hand, seems more like, well, a bluff (u say the high card paired from the flop-well dude, its a fuckign 7. that means nothing to most ppl). it may seem simple, but its true to bad/avg players.

these situations are different, and i think a push on this board is prob +Ev, tho pretty ballsy.

[MegaFossil]

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nuts: The title says "long rambling post." If you don't like it, don't click.

Cero: Do you think shoving is better than raising 3,000?

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It's a tough balance between 3000 being "as scary" as 4000 in general, and mimicking exactly how he (Villain) would play the nuts. If I bluffed, I'd shove all my chips in within 5 seconds of his blocking bet, just like he would do if he hit the nuts.

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This is a very solid thought. I've noticed that different things I do can mean different things to players. For example, I'm usually fairly quiet when I make a large bet whether I have the nuts or am on a pure bluff. Some guys take my silence as a sign of extreme strength, while others think I'm bluffing and scared to give anything away. However, with decent reads on opponents you can mimic their actions to trick them into coming to the wrong conclusion.

[Ellsworth T]

Heres what I don't get. If villans play is straightforward enough that we can deduce (and it appears with amazing accuracy) that villan has exactly AAA, then what hands are we calling the turn with that isn't some form of straight/flush draw. The most suspect play of them all would be knowing your opponent has trip aces and calling to hit a card that may or may not be good enough to rep a bluff and then trying to rep a hand if it hits.

[LucidDream]

When playing live I don't think enough players take advantage of these spots to bluff a player based almost purely on psychology. If a player has announced he is going home soon or the next hand or whatever, if you can put in a big enough bet that if he calls and loses that he will go home a loser then it can be a great spot to bluff.

Conversely you don't want to be bluffing the guy that is already losing and has stated that he wants to go home soon. He is likely to stick his money in w/ any piece of the board, any draw, etc...ready for you send him home. I would value shove rivers much lighter vs someone like this also if appropriate.

[fsuplayer]

stephenNUTS, if u keep posts like these up, ill ban u. plz stop.

[igetbadbeat]

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different hand. i agree with you about the 'moral', but in your hand you were goading him the whole time, his line was a bluff inducing line, and the board was not scary. in OP's hand, there is no trash talking going on, his line is designed to AVOID bluffs not to induce them, and the flush just hit on the river. totally different.

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there's a big difference between board and action in OP's post and yours.

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Uhm, a shove after a check is much different than a shove after a bet no? Your scenario is completely different.,

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some of you are being stupid. i didn't say the hand or action was similar, the similarity i referred to was the scenario of a guy who's about to quit the game and is playing his last hand. krantz thinks in that situation the guy would be more likely to fold a non-nut hand in order to finish "winner"; i told a story where someone put in 400bb's in that spot with AA. even after the top card on the flop paired on the turn (i guess that's not a scary card at all though).

doesn't matter if it's their "last hand." ppl don't fold aces. ppl don't fold sets. reading a guy not only for aces, but for a SET OF ACES, and trying to push him off of it--with, what, about a pot-sized raise left?--is not going to end well very often.

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Sorry guy, you are being stupid. This thread is about a hand and its action...not "hey I can bluff anyone because they are about to leave and they're up money".

[FluffyTiger]

the fact it's villain's last hand is relevant

[fslexcduck]

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the fact it's villain's last hand is relevant

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this is completely wrong.

[FluffyTiger]

nah

[igetbadbeat]

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the fact it's villain's last hand is relevant

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I believe it is relevant but not the only factor nor is it the biggest factor.