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#41
04-06-2007, 04:56 PM
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Re: The petition to PokerStars to raise the min buy-in
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All: Having said all that, I think that online poker sites should change the rules such that minimum stacks people can rebuy in for some amount of time (say, 30 mins or an hour) at ANY table are tied to whatever people stood up with (up to max buyin). Basically like a must-move NL game where you have to buyin for what you came from the other table with. If anything is unethical about this stuff, it's buyin in short, doubling up, then sitting at another table. [/ QUOTE ] This would work IMO and is a great idea. Like I said, I don't mind somebody buying in short and taking a shot. 
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#42
04-06-2007, 05:34 PM
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Re: The petition to PokerStars to raise the min buy-in
I vote no.
I don't think it is a good idea to mandate that everyone must play the same style (deep stack vs SS). If we want to do that, then I would vote for banning LAGs, since I have a harder time adjusting to LAGs than I do adjusting to short stack players.
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#43
04-06-2007, 05:49 PM
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Re: The petition to PokerStars to raise the min buy-in
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The reason deep stack players don't like short-stack players is because they completely change the dynamics of the table. I honestly don't mind the casual fish who wants to buy-in cheap and splash around a bit. The reason is not because I make money from these players, but moreso because I don't have to change my strategy because of them. One aspect of deep-stack no-limit is start building a pot before the flop with hands that extract well after the flop, such as small pairs and suited connectors. But when there are several short-stackers at the table, we obviously can't do this anymore because this is the portion of the strategy they are exploting. The implied odds are gone, and the fact that a shortie is gonna push with a wider range of hands than they usually would causes the loose players to tighten up. Do you see what is happening here? Essentially the short-stackers are ruining the games because they make a tight preflop strategy right and then we have a nit-fest. I don't see what would be so terribly wrong with raising the min buy-in to 35-40BB or so. If someone wants to splash around with 20 bucks, let him do so at .25/.50. No-limit is a game of implied odds. The increasing number of ratholers is hurting the game. [/ QUOTE ] I normally play a 80/3/.5 style. I like to limp in and see what the flop brings. I dont mind playing against passive players because I dont have to change my strategy. But then someone comes to my table, he was raising FIFTEEN PERCENT OF HIS HANDS. I even saw him raise 22 once! How can that be a good play? Do you see what is happening here? This kind of player is RUINING the game because they make a loose raising preflop strategy right and a limping strategy wrong! No limit is a game of flops. The increasing number of preflop raises is hurting the games. Pokerstars: Please limit the number of times someone can raise preflop.
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#45
04-06-2007, 06:18 PM
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Re: The petition to PokerStars to raise the min buy-in
don't you guys get it
20bb min buyin is more profitable for stars than 40bb min buyin this is a business, they don't care about you because you are screwed, there is no other major site to go to so i get to keep shortstacking, you get to keep whining, and i get rich SHIP IT FISHIES HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE
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#47
04-06-2007, 06:24 PM
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Re: The petition to PokerStars to raise the min buy-in
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I disagree with this petition. In LA the Max buy in is 20BB (1/2 blinds) for low stakes and 40BB for medium stakes (3/5 blinds). I want to be able to simulate live conditions online. i LIKE THE CURRENT STRUCTURE. Please do not change. [/ QUOTE ] Ummm, if you are saying 20bb poker simulates live play then the rooms you are playing are certainly out of the norm, and frankly, that doesn't seem like any fun. 20bb poker does not in any way resemble live play IMO. I almost never see people buying in for $40 in live games b/c 1)they actually come to the casino to play poker, not push all in preflop, double up and move to the next table and repeat like these ratholers online do and 2)they don't want to look like cheapskate bums. I don't mind less experienced players coming to the casino and buying in short to test it out, but I absolutely don't see good players short stacking in the casino. It seems like the regulars would start to despise these players which would probably lead to more casino verbal abuse and possibly even physical [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img] Anyway, I vote for a minimum 40bb buy-in.
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#48
04-06-2007, 08:46 PM
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Re: The petition to PokerStars to raise the min buy-in
You guys should concentrate on leaving and buying back in with less, not the minimum buy-in. You should go for the ElD suggestion of buying in for what you left at another table within a certain period of time, or just raise the time period you can buy back in for the minimum to 4, 6, 12 hours or something like that. Imagine the deep stacked poker you could play if you could buy back in deep hours later....
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#50
04-06-2007, 09:16 PM
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Re: The petition to PokerStars to raise the min buy-in
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Many of us believe that no-limit is a game of implied odds [/ QUOTE ] Sorry to be blunt, but if you believe this you're being ridiculous. The game is the game. The rules are the rules. Poker is about adjusting your game to maximize EV given each particular situation. If you don't know how to adjust your game to players with smaller stacks then that's your own shortcoming. Don't go whining to Stars to change the rules to eliminate situations that you don't know how to deal with.
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