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03-25-2007, 02:01 AM
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Isnt the universe supernatural? I don't know, but it is infinite..... Didn't know natural things were infinite. If anything we know that natural things die..... [/ QUOTE ] Your arguments are flawless and compelling and I would like to subscribe to your newsletter. 
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#42
03-25-2007, 03:43 AM
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Re: You have a dream...
The hypothetical situation is so extreme that it is pretty much impossible to answer. Assuming that the soccer team looks an sounds exactly like you remember it in your dream, it's just so unlikely that that would ever happen. Maybe even impossible from a practical point of view. So I think the hypothetical is so farfetched that if that situation did comme up then it would supersede all of my previously held beliefs about this kind of thing and I really would have no way if knowing what to do until the moment arrived. I'm trying to think of a good analogy but one isn't coming to me.
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03-25-2007, 03:48 AM
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Assuming that the soccer team looks an sounds exactly like you remember it in your dream [/ QUOTE ] That's one of the major problems in situations like this. We reverse construct our memory. We actually do it quite commonly and it's not even hard to test. ( never mind deja vu related issues). luckyme
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#44
03-25-2007, 03:59 AM
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Re: You have a dream...
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[ QUOTE ] Isnt the universe supernatural? I don't know, but it is infinite..... Didn't know natural things were infinite. If anything we know that natural things die..... [/ QUOTE ] Your arguments are flawless and compelling and I would like to subscribe to your newsletter. [/ QUOTE ] Let me guess, this wasnt mean or sarcastic either?
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#45
03-25-2007, 04:11 AM
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Re: You have a dream...
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Isnt the universe supernatural? I don't know, but it is infinite..... Didn't know natural things were infinite. If anything we know that natural things die..... [/ QUOTE ] Your arguments are flawless and compelling and I would like to subscribe to your newsletter. [/ QUOTE ] Let me guess, this wasnt mean or sarcastic either? [/ QUOTE ] Nope, that one was. You can assume that the default is sarcastic unless otherwise noted. EDIT: This is serious.
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#46
03-25-2007, 04:12 AM
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Re: You have a dream...
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[ QUOTE ] Assuming that the soccer team looks an sounds exactly like you remember it in your dream [/ QUOTE ] That's one of the major problems in situations like this. We reverse construct our memory. We actually do it quite commonly and it's not even hard to test. ( never mind deja vu related issues). luckyme [/ QUOTE ] Yep, this is one of the most fascinating, horribly counterintuitive areas of study right now, IMO.
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03-25-2007, 04:43 AM
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Re: You have a dream...
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Assuming that the soccer team looks an sounds exactly like you remember it in your dream [/ QUOTE ] That's one of the major problems in situations like this. We reverse construct our memory. We actually do it quite commonly and it's not even hard to test. ( never mind deja vu related issues). luckyme [/ QUOTE ] Yep, this is one of the most fascinating, horribly counterintuitive areas of study right now, IMO. [/ QUOTE ] Does "reverse construct our memory" mean that once we get to the gate and see the soccer team, no matter what they look/sound like, we will remember the team in our dream as looking exactly like it? If that is the case then I would disregard the soccer team, because a soccer team in itself is not nearly enough of a coincidence for me to become skeptical that it is anything but that.
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03-25-2007, 04:51 AM
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Re: You have a dream...
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Assuming that the soccer team looks an sounds exactly like you remember it in your dream [/ QUOTE ] That's one of the major problems in situations like this. We reverse construct our memory. We actually do it quite commonly and it's not even hard to test. ( never mind deja vu related issues). luckyme [/ QUOTE ] Yep, this is one of the most fascinating, horribly counterintuitive areas of study right now, IMO. [/ QUOTE ] Does "reverse construct our memory" mean that once we get to the gate and see the soccer team, no matter what they look/sound like, we will remember the team in our dream as looking exactly like it? If that is the case then I would disregard the soccer team, because a soccer team in itself is not nearly enough of a coincidence for me to become skeptical that it is anything but that. [/ QUOTE ] Yep. Its more complicated than that, but the things we remember need not have happened that way, and our memory is not a static thing, even in the immediate past. Dennett proposes a 'multiple drafts' model where we continually revise and edit current perceptions and recollections and eventually settle on a few drafts (often 1) that happen to fit best with all the info. However, included in that info is both our actual perceptions and our own biases and desires that color those perceptions. Its not confirmation bias, but confirmation bias plays a role.
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#49
03-25-2007, 08:32 AM
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Re: You have a dream...
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The hypothetical situation is so extreme that it is pretty much impossible to answer. Assuming that the soccer team looks an sounds exactly like you remember it in your dream, it's just so unlikely that that would ever happen. Maybe even impossible from a practical point of view. So I think the hypothetical is so farfetched that if that situation did comme up then it would supersede all of my previously held beliefs about this kind of thing and I really would have no way if knowing what to do until the moment arrived. I'm trying to think of a good analogy but one isn't coming to me. [/ QUOTE ] wtf are you talking about? its not a hypotehtetical. i had a dream i was on a plane that went down. one of my memories from the dream is that i was surrounded by a girls soccer team and i was comforting one of the girls as it went down. i have a flight a week later, and i tell my friend about the dream as he is driving me to the airport. in the terminal waiting for the plane a girls soccer team, of about the same age from the dream, is waiting for the same flight. this forum is ridiculous. do you guys get off on making everything more complicated than need be?
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