jaime gold = spew

[Assani Fisher]

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Man, I'll put up my left nut as collateral to get money to play on that table. I'd put up both nuts for a seat to the left of Gold. That was one horrendous string of plays we've been subjected to. The only positive is that it's nice to see Gold being cut down in size.

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I really don't get the hate for this guy. I understand that he comes off as a bit smug and arrogant, but so do a lot of players. He was very complimentary of Doyle, and it seemed to me like everyone enjoyed interacting with him at the table.

[Assani Fisher]

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I agree this is common behavior in live games and it's not angle shooting per se and it's also not unethical, it's just a low thing to do (if done on purpose, sometimes it's simply ignorance).

You are basically hoping to get information without giving information.

The showdown order rules exist for a reason.

Obviously if they want to let him slide on it that's their decision (because like others have said, you wanna keep him happy at the table donking off chips) but he's a douche for trying it.

When HU and you bet and your opponents calls you, you should do one of two things immediately

1. Table your hand
2. Muck your hand, thus hiding what it was, but giving the pot to your opponent no matter what he actually has and he is under no obligation to show.

If your opponents wanna let any other behavior slide, that's fine, but those are simply the showdown order rules.

[/ QUOTE ]the proper etiquette is to have the winning hand be shown and have the losing hand be able to muck if he wishes. If one suspects collusion he may ask to see the mucked cards. There has to be a rule in place over what hand should be shown first(or else there'd obviously be conflicts), so it only makes sense to have the rule say that last action shows first since its more likely that last action had the winning hand.

However, if it becomes clear that the calling player is winning(sometimes the bettor will say "You got it" or "If you have the ____ you win" or something like that) or if the calling player knows he wins(maybe he called an all in with the nuts) then proper etiquette is for him to show and let the other guy muck.

[Mi_T_Sharp]

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Man, I'll put up my left nut as collateral to get money to play on that table. I'd put up both nuts for a seat to the left of Gold. That was one horrendous string of plays we've been subjected to. The only positive is that it's nice to see Gold being cut down in size.

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I really don't get the hate for this guy. I understand that he comes off as a bit smug and arrogant, but so do a lot of players. He was very complimentary of Doyle, and it seemed to me like everyone enjoyed interacting with him at the table.

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I don't "hate" JG. But, I got the impression that only Matasow actually enjoyed interacting with him. I think all of the other players enjoyed him being in the game, simply to take his money. Some of the exchanges between JG and the other players seemed awkward to me. I got the impression that Doyle didn't feel completely comfortable with him (socially, not poker-wise), and some of the other players didn't seem in love with him either. Of course, since this opinion is based completely on edited TV clips, it may be way off base.

[Dynasty]

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When a fish is at your table, handing out money, and you like the fact that he is handing you money, you may consider letting him bend the rules a bit on showing his bluffs.

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This is basically right. It's just idiotic to show up somebody who's giving away chips.

For those of you saying you "paid to see his cards", you should already know his cards. When the board is A,K,x,y,K, your opponent bets, you call, and he says "You got it", you don't need to see J6o, 52s or whatever hand he actually had. You've already got the information you need- your oppopnent bluffs on the river with no hand. Whether it's J6o or 52s is irrelevent. Knowing the specific cards doesn't give you any more relevent information.

Take the money. Let your opponent save face. Watch him repeat the same mistake. Take the money again.

[pineapple888]

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I understand that he comes off as a bit smug and arrogant, but so do a lot of players.

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Smug and arrogant is much more tolerable if there is some minimal level of actual talent and understanding of the game to back it up.

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He was very complimentary of Doyle, and it seemed to me like everyone enjoyed interacting with him at the table.

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A compliment from somebody who doesn't know what he's doing just comes across as condescending to me. It's so obvious to everyone that Doyle is (at least) 10 times better than Gold that it made me cringe when Gold had the nerve to actually say it.

[Tom1975]

Ok, let's stop arguing about showdown rules and get back to Gold's play. Time for a poll:

[disjunction]

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Ok, let's stop arguing about showdown rules and get back to Gold's play. Time for a poll:

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I dunno, he has acknowledged over and over again that he considers himself a bad cash game player. As long as he knows his own skill level, I don't see why busto should automatically follow.

[Melchiades]

Alaei must be gutted. Having position on Gold for all that time without managing to take advantage of it.

[blankoblanco]

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Whether it's J6o or 52s is irrelevent. Knowing the specific cards doesn't give you any more relevent information.


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Um, this is wrong. If I have little to no read on how a guy is playing and I see he raised pre-flop with J2o in MP, I'm going to think a lot differently of him than if he did it with 98s. Knowing what he limped/called a raise/raised with pre-flop is extremely relevant.

[Hamburglar]

it's common courtesy to not shame an opponent into showing a bluff when he has already conceded the hand.