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01-30-2007, 03:36 PM
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Im sure if hitler succeeded in his plan the text books of today would paint a different picture of him. he would be the hero of the arian race and all the killings he did would be for the greater good. [/ QUOTE ] I guess I missed the part where the textbooks of today pain the inquisition as being for the greater good. Listen man, this whole thread sounds like the whining of some 14 year old who is mad that his mom makes him go to church. Why do you think some of the very intelligent "religion haters" arent in here defending you? It's because this is stupid. [/ QUOTE ] Text books dont demonize the inquistion. The people who were involved were exonerated because they were doing the will of God. [/ QUOTE ] Your text books suck. Everyone accepts the inquisition was really, really bad 
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#42
01-30-2007, 03:38 PM
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The catoholic church would not exist today if it werent for its violent past. The crusades and witch hunts. In medival times the catholic church basically killed everyone who would not convert. So why is the catholic church so highly regarded now. why dont they have the same evil reputation that hitler does. basically hitler was trying to do the same thing. if he was sucessful maybe he would have created a religon that is as highly regarded as the catholic church. I do not condone in any way what hitler did. [/ QUOTE ] Hi Hashi Everything you have said is wrong. I'd like to see you back up one claim. Stu
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#43
01-30-2007, 03:44 PM
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First and foremost, evil is at the core of men, not christianity. .......... [/ QUOTE ] No. This is a dangerous belief. It is important to realise that religion itself intrinsically has an evil content.
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01-30-2007, 03:53 PM
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Re: Catholics vs. Hitler
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[ QUOTE ] The catoholic church would not exist today if it werent for its violent past. The crusades and witch hunts. In medival times the catholic church basically killed everyone who would not convert. So why is the catholic church so highly regarded now. why dont they have the same evil reputation that hitler does. basically hitler was trying to do the same thing. if he was sucessful maybe he would have created a religon that is as highly regarded as the catholic church. I do not condone in any way what hitler did. [/ QUOTE ] Hi Hashi Everything you have said is wrong. I'd like to see you back up one claim. Stu [/ QUOTE ] You probably need to more specific. Here's some of his claims which you claim are all wrong. 1) there is a catholic church today. 2)It had a violent past. 3) there were crusades. 4) there were witch hunts 5) medieval 'convert or be killed' was the base position. 6) the catholic church is highly regarded today 7) hitler was trying to impose his beliefs by force. 8) he doesn't condone what hitler did. 9) hitler may have started a religion. All are wrong? There are some overstated, but some are right. 6 is questionable, for example. luckyme
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#46
01-30-2007, 03:55 PM
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Re: Catholics vs. Hitler
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[ QUOTE ] First and foremost, evil is at the core of men, not christianity. .......... [/ QUOTE ] No. This is a dangerous belief. It is important to realise that religion itself intrinsically has an evil content. [/ QUOTE ] And I agree with this. (Though I hate the term 'evil') Religion can certainly be an expression of what we're calling 'evil.' If a religion preaches that one must kill non-believers to save your soul... how could one follow that religion without doing works that an outsider would deem 'evil?' When a believer acts violently towards others because they beleive with all their heart what their religion commands them, and they believe they are acting MORALLY within the confines of their religion -- is that 'man' evil at its core? If a Christian Scientist watches their kid die because their religion says medicine is wrong... are they evil? Are they foolish? Is there no blame for the teachings of their religion? If someone believes a person of another religion is following a Satan like figure and they represent a danger to the immortal soul of their family and kill them... are they evil in their heart for following the tenants of their faith?
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#47
01-30-2007, 03:59 PM
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Re: Catholics vs. Hitler
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Im sure if hitler succeeded in his plan the text books of today would paint a different picture of him. he would be the hero of the arian race and all the killings he did would be for the greater good. [/ QUOTE ] I guess I missed the part where the textbooks of today pain the inquisition as being for the greater good. Listen man, this whole thread sounds like the whining of some 14 year old who is mad that his mom makes him go to church. Why do you think some of the very intelligent "religion haters" arent in here defending you? It's because this is stupid. [/ QUOTE ] Text books dont demonize the inquistion. The people who were involved were exonerated because they were doing the will of God. [/ QUOTE ] Your text books suck. Everyone accepts the inquisition was really, really bad [/ QUOTE ] Text books basically say what happened in the inquisition you are making the interpretation that it is bad. an example of text books painting a bad picture is when they say pearl harbor was a day of infamy.
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#48
01-30-2007, 04:00 PM
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Re: Catholics vs. Hitler
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] The catoholic church would not exist today if it werent for its violent past. The crusades and witch hunts. In medival times the catholic church basically killed everyone who would not convert. So why is the catholic church so highly regarded now. why dont they have the same evil reputation that hitler does. basically hitler was trying to do the same thing. if he was sucessful maybe he would have created a religon that is as highly regarded as the catholic church. I do not condone in any way what hitler did. [/ QUOTE ] Hi Hashi Everything you have said is wrong. I'd like to see you back up one claim. Stu [/ QUOTE ] You probably need to more specific. Here's some of his claims which you claim are all wrong. 1) there is a catholic church today. 2)It had a violent past. 3) there were crusades. 4) there were witch hunts 5) medieval 'convert or be killed' was the base position. 6) the catholic church is highly regarded today 7) hitler was trying to impose his beliefs by force. 8) he doesn't condone what hitler did. 9) hitler may have started a religion. All are wrong? There are some overstated, but some are right. 6 is questionable, for example. luckyme [/ QUOTE ] The OP said that the church would not exist today if it hadnt been for its violent past, witch hunts and crusades. He said 1 is a result of 2,3 & 4. The OP has a causality effect between the 4 facts, while in youre post you just list the 4 facts as independent.
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01-30-2007, 04:01 PM
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Re: Catholics vs. Hitler
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Im sure if hitler succeeded in his plan the text books of today would paint a different picture of him. he would be the hero of the arian race and all the killings he did would be for the greater good. [/ QUOTE ] I guess I missed the part where the textbooks of today pain the inquisition as being for the greater good. Listen man, this whole thread sounds like the whining of some 14 year old who is mad that his mom makes him go to church. Why do you think some of the very intelligent "religion haters" arent in here defending you? It's because this is stupid. [/ QUOTE ] Text books dont demonize the inquistion. The people who were involved were exonerated because they were doing the will of God. [/ QUOTE ] Your text books suck. Everyone accepts the inquisition was really, really bad [/ QUOTE ] Text books basically say what happened in the inquisition you are making the interpretation that it is bad. an example of text books painting a bad picture is when they say pearl harbor was a day of infamy. [/ QUOTE ] You're 14, right?
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01-30-2007, 04:05 PM
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Re: Catholics vs. Hitler
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Im sure if hitler succeeded in his plan the text books of today would paint a different picture of him. he would be the hero of the arian race and all the killings he did would be for the greater good. [/ QUOTE ] I guess I missed the part where the textbooks of today pain the inquisition as being for the greater good. Listen man, this whole thread sounds like the whining of some 14 year old who is mad that his mom makes him go to church. Why do you think some of the very intelligent "religion haters" arent in here defending you? It's because this is stupid. [/ QUOTE ] Text books dont demonize the inquistion. The people who were involved were exonerated because they were doing the will of God. [/ QUOTE ] Your text books suck. Everyone accepts the inquisition was really, really bad [/ QUOTE ] Text books basically say what happened in the inquisition you are making the interpretation that it is bad. an example of text books painting a bad picture is when they say pearl harbor was a day of infamy. [/ QUOTE ] So you are basically saying you want textbooks to explain the reader that what happened is bad. u want something like this: "During the inquisition the church killed many intelectuals who disagreed with their ideas( just in case u didnt notice it is bad to kill ppl who dont agree with u)"
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