The dirty little secret about Miller's book for players with PT

[AL5AcE]

Nice Post, but to answer your subject line, SSHE was written for mostly low limit 2/4 to 5/10 live. The kind of skill level in those games translates to only online 2/4 and some loose 3/6 games, and only when you get to 3/6 does blind play matter significantly. Therefore blind play is only significant at levels beyond the scope of the book.

I think to write good advice about blind play would have made SSHE a lot thicker than it is now. It's also a complicated subject matter that an inexperienced player might take the advice and lose more with it than if he hadn't read anything at all about it. This might even decrease book sales and just isn't worth all the extra pages.

What Ed does in SSHE is show the low limit player all of the tools to fix their biggest leaks and improve dramatically into a winning player. Teaching someone pot equity, not to fold a decent hand in a monstrous pot, and raising ATs on the button after many limpers will improve someone much more than blind play at the low limits.

[WhiteShirt]

Now i have to be very very careful about what i say here, i will be analyzed to death.

here was the point of this post :

1. to generate a discussion about leaking $ out of the blinds.

2. to show that miller's book was not totaly geared towards online play.

3. to show that understanding and effectively using what miller teaches will not be enough to beat the online games for all they are worth.

reread the title of my post. this post is intended for online players only. live play is much different since there is more blind chopping and looser games etc etc.

i know there are alot of 1bb/100 to break even players out there. and they make around .07 outside the blinds. but inside the blinds they suck. and they cant figure out for the love of god why they dont have a higher bb/100. this post shows why.

without miller's book i wouldnt be half the player i am today. i probably would have given up by now. as im sure so many of you feel the same way.

i just know how frustrating it can be to study and read and put so much effort into poker just to come up a little short of your goal. and i hope this post exposes why some players are having trouble breaking through that break even zone.

[piiop]

WHERE ARE YOU GETTING THESE NUMBERS?

Also, you can make a post about how important playing from the blinds is without mentioning any books.

[WhiteShirt]

my stats are based on my own experiences, the stats of my 3 online poker friends (all of which play for the income) and the stats of my students.

[cnfuzzd]

wait,,,,


so i cant pick up a single book and master all aspects of the myriad games i might encounter as a texas limited hold them player? [censored].

I would also like to lodge a complaint with 2p2 that SSHE does very little to teach me how to play plo h/l. Stupid Book.

peace

john nickle

[piiop]

How many students do you have?How many hands do you, your friends, and your students have?

[kross]

1/2 and 2/4

.07 BB/hand outside of the blinds

(.20) BB/hand in the big blind
(.14) BB/hand in the small blind

I'm only winning about 1 BB/100 at both 1/2 and 2/4, does this mean I suck at blind defense? Or I just suck?

-- Kevin

[restless]

first off, nice post, with some food for thought here. With the clarifications of your intent of your post I think you have succeeded well. Point 2 though, is a little wrong isn't it? To my knowledge, SSH was never made out to be "totaly geared towards online play"?


However... I'd like to ask you just how important you think these numbers are? What's the cause and what's the effect?

Are these players winning players BECAUSE they have these numbers

OR

Do these players have these numbers BECAUSE they are winning players?

Do you see what I'm getting at? Is it their overall postflop ability that separates them from the 1BB/100 herd, or do you think it is just blind stealing/defense?

Its a helluva difference (I would guess..) between playing J5s from the BB in a 6-way raised pot, and defending with it HU against an MP raiser. If the former situation occurs more frequently, it is still the postflop ability to play weak hands w/ great potential well, that makes them +2BB/100 instead of 0.75BB/100.

You agree?

[crunchy1]

BB = -.20
SB = -.12
Not a Blind = .09

[Exsubmariner]

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i just know how frustrating it can be to study and read and put so much effort into poker just to come up a little short of your goal. and i hope this post exposes why some players are having trouble breaking through that break even zone.

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Here. Here.

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