BD's 15 Worst Franchises in Sports

[BobOjedaFan]

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"I guess your ignoring the fact that they have one of if not the best run farm system in the majors."

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Umm, considering that's is 100% luck, yes I'm ignoring that. lol

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Please explain why having the best ran farm system is 100% luck, be careful when you answer this.

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Draft picks either work out or they don't, it's mostly random. Do you really think players who amounted to nothign would have had widely different careers IF ONLY they had been drafted by the Florida Marlins?

[capone0]

Scouting? Some teams scout well others don't. Scouting kinda changes variance. Just imagine if the Pats drafted Tim Rattay instead of Brady. The Pats ship would probally be on a different course. This of course isn't a great example, but there are many players scouted especially in Baseball who have come out of nowhere, I guess that's lucky but who knows. Some teams can scout, see the Pats, and some teams can't (see the Clippers between 1990-2000, etc.)

[BobOjedaFan]

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There's a huge difference between the WSOP and the professional playoffs. You can't bring that up.

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The Marlins weren't even trying to win in 2003, they backed into it. They're MO since 1997 has been dumping salary. 2003 was one of the biggest sports flukes in history, don't expect the Marlins to win another Championship ever under current ownership. I don't see how anyone can argue a team that has a payroll of less than like 15 individual players isn't horribly run. Any other franchise in the NL that got THAt LUCKY with rookie performances would have made the playoffs. But not the Marlins because they bought 0 players in to put around it. That franchise is a laughing stock.

[BobOjedaFan]

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Scouting? Some teams scout well others don't. Scouting kinda changes variance. Just imagine if the Pats drafted Tim Rattay instead of Brady. The Pats ship would probally be on a different course. This of course isn't a great example, but there are many players scouted especially in Baseball who have come out of nowhere, I guess that's lucky but who knows. Some teams can scout, see the Pats, and some teams can't (see the Clippers between 1990-2000, etc.)

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Michael Lewis effectively proved to me Scouts are useless. A computer is as good of a scout as some old fart who tells me this pitcher is 'athletic' and has good 'stuff'

[capone0]

I guess so.

[TheNoodleMan]

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The Ultimate Goal in the World Series of Poker is to win that, does that mean Robert Varkonyi is a great player?


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Using poker analogies in this forum should be a banable offense.

[J.R.]

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The Marlins weren't even trying to win in 2003, they backed into it. They're MO since 1997 has been dumping salary. 2003 was one of the biggest sports flukes in history, don't expect the Marlins to win another Championship ever under current ownership. I don't see how anyone can argue a team that has a payroll of less than like 15 individual players isn't horribly run. Any other franchise in the NL that got THAt LUCKY with rookie performances would have made the playoffs. But not the Marlins because they bought 0 players in to put around it. That franchise is a laughing stock.

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Yeah, those other teams giving enourmous long term contracts are real well run. Screw the young cheap talent.

[Pudge714]

Does anyone else think 2p2 should have some sort of aptitude test to prevent retards from joining?

[tdarko]

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Michael Lewis effectively proved to me Scouts are useless. A computer is as good of a scout as some old fart who tells me this pitcher is 'athletic' and has good 'stuff'

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I am sorry, I really don't want to argue and this is going to be long as I may ramble...I have seen the differences in good scouting and poor scouting and what computer sees and what a person sees and the hundreds of overrated players that show up to spring training b/c so many scouts don't actually know how to properly assess talent but only look up numbers, numbers in which in HS and in college are hard to quantify and players that should be seen and studied.

I have seen so many players drafted in later rounds that were much better players but were drowned out by metropolitan areas and larger talent pools and tougher districts and competition. You may say, well the talent will always show through within the organization and this is absolutely true but this means absolutely nothing. The money invested in the individual means whether or not he will play in the big leagues, not necessarily his production. Someone with a 4 mil signing bonus and is the organizations first pick will be shoved into the big leagues while many guys drafted in later rounds can put up numbers their entire career and never sniff the big leagues. Good scouting finds these guys, computers don't and I have seen it.

Comb through the rookies that were called up this year and you will find some examples, such as David Murphy with the Red Sox. A below average minor leaguer that has had one good minor league season (not his call-up season) yet has been shoved into the big leagues. There are so many others, Sean Henn with the Yankees (Not this year). A draft and follow with a signing bonus of around a million and a half, he couldn't have an ERA high enough to keep him from the big leagues yet there are guys on every one of his minor league teams out pitching him each year that will never step on a big league diamond.

The Marlins have done a good job at developing talent which is much different than drafting talent. They have still done an excellent job drafting but they have also done an excellent job developing their players within each class/level. Just because their owner sucks and gets rid of players doesn't mean that the farm system hasn't produced some talent.

Basically it boils down to the early stages of scouting. Many of the scouts are morons so they believe that numbers and whatever can do it for them and yes, I believe that when drafting a guy he has to of put up some numbers but he also has to possess skill and I have seen some first rounders with almost zero skill when coming into spring training and some later round picks with a [censored] load of skill...who is to blame? Why is this? I know why.

The problem is that these lesser skilled players, for the rest of their careers will get every perk, every oppurtunity and every chance to make it to the big leagues. The road will be easier, thus their stats will be easier to come by and they will also get first hand instruction (roving instructors) to follow them wherever they go b/c lets face it these organizations don't want their millions to go down the drain, and they are now nervous! And these later picks, with tons of talent are getting 4 and 5 at bats a week making it tough to get in a groove or 2-4 innings every 2 weeks making it so difficult to stay in any kind of rhythm, they are also going to have to repeat class/levels when they hit .320 with 15 HR's or have an ERA of 2.20.

I have seen the Royals organization up close and they waste pick after pick, it is crazy. Their scouting director (they were all fired this year) Shaun McGinn is a suit, not a baseball player. He thumbed through stat sheets to find players, you go to a tryout and you will never see a Royals crosschecker there, you "may" see an area scout, and this is a stretch. But man, I am telling you the Marlins are everywhere, it is a constant theme to see the Marlins hitting up every major conference tournament, every state tourny and actually doing work at the Area Code games, Perfect Game etc. There is a reason some orgainizations have developed talent and others have basically developed a ton of busts, it isn't just "luck."

[MyTurn2Raise]

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Does anyone else think 2p2 should have some sort of aptitude test to prevent retards from joining?

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no, I wouldn't be here