$20/$40 hand - Page 5

PokerBob · #41 09-29-2006, 02:43 PM

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That's a bad flop to raise. You want to call and make the turn action easier to interpret if it's not a good card.

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agreed.

PokerBob · #42 09-29-2006, 02:46 PM

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ok here's my case.

when you clearly dont know how to value bet in slim spots like you're gonna get in hands like this, then you fold. if you're able to play them and not lose more than you should with these type of hands, then you can play them. but clearly OP is having trouble knowing when to raise, fold, and call in spots where it's not so ABC clear.

these type of speculative hands can make money if you play them well, but they also get you in spots where you lose a lot with them as well if you're not careful. think about how many times you end up paying off, or even worse, raising! in spots like this when if you had folded pre, ther would be no issue.

playing hands like this in multi-way pots is a great tool in switching it up, playing big drawing pots.. but you lose more than you win when you make spewy river raises in spots when you're clearly beat. these hands do not have a lot of value, and when you dont play them correctly, theyre a losing hand in the long term.

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you just made a great case for folding pretty much every hand that isn't JJ+

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haha. so true.

PITTM · #43 09-29-2006, 09:01 PM

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the big blind while timid usually, was on a rush and would be aggressive enough now to bet two pair.

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Don't you think that he would have bet that hand on the turn?

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p.s. you could make a good case for folding pre.

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wtf? someone told me about this hand and said someone told him to fold preflop. and i was like, hmm, the person must have either told me the hand wrong or this guy is kind of insane. im leaning towards insane.

rj

PITTM · #44 09-29-2006, 09:03 PM

additionally. the fact that someone in mid stakes gives advice like this and wins and how bad ive been running this month make me borderline suicidal.

rj

tpir · #45 09-29-2006, 09:04 PM

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ok here's my case.

when you clearly dont know how to value bet in slim spots like you're gonna get in hands like this, then you fold. if you're able to play them and not lose more than you should with these type of hands, then you can play them. but clearly OP is having trouble knowing when to raise, fold, and call in spots where it's not so ABC clear.

these type of speculative hands can make money if you play them well, but they also get you in spots where you lose a lot with them as well if you're not careful. think about how many times you end up paying off, or even worse, raising! in spots like this when if you had folded pre, ther would be no issue.

playing hands like this in multi-way pots is a great tool in switching it up, playing big drawing pots.. but you lose more than you win when you make spewy river raises in spots when you're clearly beat. these hands do not have a lot of value, and when you dont play them correctly, theyre a losing hand in the long term.

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Bill King · #46 09-30-2006, 03:24 AM

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additionally. the fact that someone in mid stakes gives advice like this and wins and how bad ive been running this month make me borderline suicidal.

rj

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rj,

then maybe you should follow up on your borderline ambitions so that your close-minded opinions can go with you.

there's no case for folding pre? think about ALL the factors for calling/raising and folding... and if you still think there's no case for folding pre.. then maybe you should evaluate why you're "running so bad".

PokerBob · #47 09-30-2006, 06:33 AM

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additionally. the fact that someone in mid stakes gives advice like this and wins and how bad ive been running this month make me borderline suicidal.

rj

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rj,

then maybe you should follow up on your borderline ambitions so that your close-minded opinions can go with you.

there's no case for folding pre? think about ALL the factors for calling/raising and folding... and if you still think there's no case for folding pre.. then maybe you should evaluate why you're "running so bad".

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folding is horrible. period.

SA125 · #48 09-30-2006, 11:20 AM

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Having said that, this river is the perfect spot to do it. Few players are strong or smart enough to do it with a worse hand than you.

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At the Borgata playing $40/$80 and $20/$40, being outplayed is the very least of my worries. I will never get 3 bet here with a worse hand. I just wanted to know if anyone thought that with the way the hand played out if a raise would be profitable here, especially considering the donkey in the middle of all the action.

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I guess my adding the part about strong and smart players caused you to miss my main point that I agree with you. This 3 way pot is a good spot to get more value with a raise/fold line.

PITTM · #49 09-30-2006, 12:36 PM

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additionally. the fact that someone in mid stakes gives advice like this and wins and how bad ive been running this month make me borderline suicidal.

rj

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rj,

then maybe you should follow up on your borderline ambitions so that your close-minded opinions can go with you.

there's no case for folding pre? think about ALL the factors for calling/raising and folding... and if you still think there's no case for folding pre.. then maybe you should evaluate why you're "running so bad".

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folding is horrible. period.

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HOLLA!

rj

PITTM · #50 09-30-2006, 12:39 PM

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additionally. the fact that someone in mid stakes gives advice like this and wins and how bad ive been running this month make me borderline suicidal.

rj

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rj,

then maybe you should follow up on your borderline ambitions so that your close-minded opinions can go with you.

there's no case for folding pre? think about ALL the factors for calling/raising and folding... and if you still think there's no case for folding pre.. then maybe you should evaluate why you're "running so bad".

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i wish i could make posts as wrong as yours and then tell people who disagree to commit suicide. youre a valuable addition to this board my friend. the advice youre giving here is on a situation that is just not even close, or maybe just on the results? i dont see how you can honestly think this is a fold. i still think you must be misreading the action or something. my "running bad" involves losing to running quads twice this week in the very very few hands ive played. but yeah, you got any other really really lame insults to defend the fact that youre wrong?

rj