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I think you need to answer the question about what to expect from a "solid regular" at the $530's cause after hearing that I would put him on a preflop range of TT+.

EDIT - Add AK to that but after his flop-bet we're down to TT+ IMO.

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5 pages and nobody noticed that Villain made 2 gaybets in a row?

So it's all just read-dependent on what the gaybets mean.

Monster (set of JJ or TT most likely)==fold.

Draw (blocking bet, less likely in my mind, KQ?)==shove.

Anything else (TPTK, QQ, etc, he just wants a cheap showdown, or a pure bluff)==shove.

So Degen's cards barely matter at all and his play is fine *if* the read is there which is why "solid regular" doesn't really help. In a vacuum I'm not real sure Villain is going to make two blocking bets in a row but who knows, I wasn't there.

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I think the main question of this hand is can villain fold AJ here? Because your FE of a TP type hand is where your equity is going to come from on this hand.

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Only a fish would call w/ AJ right here.

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as would only a fish call PF with AJ

[pineapple888]

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5 pages and nobody noticed that Villain made 2 gaybets in a row?

So it's all just read-dependent on what the gaybets mean.

Monster (set of JJ or TT most likely)==fold.

Draw (blocking bet, less likely in my mind, KQ?)==shove.

Anything else (TPTK, QQ, etc, he just wants a cheap showdown, or a pure bluff)==shove.

So Degen's cards barely matter at all and his play is fine *if* the read is there which is why "solid regular" doesn't really help. In a vacuum I'm not real sure Villain is going to make two blocking bets in a row but who knows, I wasn't there.

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Also, can we not have 5 pages of debate about "standard" SNG strategy when Degen posts a 530 hand?

If you want to win at the 215s and esp.the 530s you can't always play like the 109s and below IMHO, there is more "real poker", it's like a cross between NL cash and STTs, ICM still applies but you also have to make plays like this from my experience there (back when I had $$).

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What do you think you are pushing him off? QQ? 99?

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Not sure. I think his range is wide but his range for calling this push is pretty thin.

Doesn't this look like a strong line?

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What does he laydown that he plays like this?

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AJ, KJ, maybe QJ, AT, possibly QQ or even KK/AA

I put all that in his range with KK/AA being pretty unlikely but in there. I'd also add JTs and set's here...I think he only calls with the sets 100%, JTs 80% and QQ-AA he'd call probably 50-75% of the time.

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Solid regulars play AJ, KJ, QJ, AT, JT OOP facing a sizable raise?

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I think the main question of this hand is can villain fold AJ here? Because your FE of a TP type hand is where your equity is going to come from on this hand.

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Only a fish would call w/ AJ right here.

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as would only a fish call PF with AJ

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That's what I though also but maybe that's why I'm only playing 22's.

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5 pages and nobody noticed that Villain made 2 gaybets in a row?

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I noticed it and voted for push...

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On the flipside I think i read somewhere that $530s is about the level where people throw away their chart and start playing poker. Guess degen's suggested range isn't far off if the villain is very solid postflop.

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If you want to win at the 215s and esp.the 530s you can't always play like the 109s and below IMHO, there is more "real poker", it's like a cross between NL cash and STTs, ICM still applies but you also have to make plays like this from my experience there (back when I had $$).

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In my opinion Degens arguments are reflecting that hes a NL-player. You dont see much of these fancymoves at the higher buyins from good players early in the tournament(thats my opinion as a frequent railbird not a player). These guy are so good because they know when to push and to call at later stages.

I hope we get more opinions about fancy moves at early levels at high stakes SNG.

edit: early in the tournament.