About Jamie Gold...

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I'm not a hater by any means, and I also thought he played the FT very well...however, I thought those comments in his interview were kind of weird.

He also made a comment about how people "got lucky" against him but he somehow still managed to prevail....come on....if he had just said "yeah, I got lucky winning all those fricken coin flips too" then maybe it wouldn't be weird, but all he said was basically "I outplayed everyone, they got lucky every once in a while but I still won." It takes a lot of courage to "play the player" when you have a 500 to 1 chip lead and you win every coin flip.

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Herein lies the problem ... you didn't understand what he was saying about "luck" and yet use it against him. What he said about others getting lucky was was simple and true:

Once he got his big stack, and if he played his stack properly, the only way he would have been able to lose would have been if the others got lucky. In that context he isn't saying he wasn't lucky, or that others were. Only that if he played his stack right, only luck was going to beat him.

We all agree he could have donked it off. That would be the "if I play my big stack right" part. And all the pros we've heard from, as well as most people here, have said that he played his stack really well. So he didn't donk off his chips, and was never in the position to. He kept the pots relatively small, pressured the hell out of people, played so many hands it had to be near impossible to get a read (his talking notwithstanding). Most of the time he was all-in he had the best of it. As he mentioned in his interview, he was running his strategy by Chan each night.

The luck he was referring to was that which would have happened if suddenly he started getting in bigger pots with the best of it and they drew out on him.

There were a ton of posts here about the "Black melt down," or that "AC was going to outplay him," etc. That which he could control, he did. That then leaves the alot of the rest to luck.

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[Rianna]

Than you for All of your posts and varied opinions,much appreciated.

I wish Jamie the best. I wish poker the best. He WILL be representing the poker world, stage for the next year as the 'World Champion' of poker. I also feel that the 'Champion', as this event rightly or wrongly strongly represents the poker world FOR folks like us and DOES have some degree of influence (responsibility?) as to the future of poker.

I became livid when I heard Jamie state that 'he would like the money but essentially _couldn't care less_ to be it's 'World Champion'. How many of us, players around the globe would kill for that title? IMHO it's something VERY Special. After playing, living the game for many years, perhaps I'm wrong or HAVE lost perspective.

Yes, table talk, deceit if you will IS part of the game. Jamie fully admits that he prides himself into 'talking' his opponents into or out of a call etc., 'that's the best part of his game'. Of course this is not against the rules, but I for one got disgusted by it. I am used to seeing players 'play' and not continually act like car salesmen (no disrespect to car salesmen, just trying to make a point).

Anyone with THAT kind of chip lead (well earned no doubt) I would like to have seen them simply keep their mouth shut and _play_. Out-play opponents, not out TALK them. I felt it went over the line.

If it's Ok for Jamie to constantly get Chan's advice DURING the tourney, then is it not Ok for the final table to get advice from a pro of their choice as he did? I think this sets a bad precident. Split the bracelet with Johnny.

I took offense to his priding himself into "Tricking his opponents". I would like to see a World Champion simply outplay his opponents. (get rid of the BUlSheet, constant salesmanship and play good poker, no "tricks" please).

I'm sorry if I was too hard on him, I'm sure he's a decent guy and obviously plays the game well. After watching Chan do a lot of coaching and then see Jamie 'hoot it up' by taking out esp. Allen, I lost it. How about some humility when you continue to hold the deck against these guys that WOULD love to be World Champion.

And yes of course I'm jealous, but that wasn't the essence of this thread.

The past three 'World Champions (at least) truely
_coveted_ that title. they wanted the Title and not 'just the money'

All the best to Jamie. Yes, he obviously deserved the win. I only hope he, somehow, does bring in more players and keeps the standards high for this game many of us live and love.

Being crowned "World Champion" should mean something IMHO. It's not just about the money.

Thank you again for your opinions.

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I took offense to his priding himself into "Tricking his opponents". I would like to see a World Champion simply outplay his opponents. (get rid of the BUlSheet, constant salesmanship and play good poker, no "tricks" please).

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Oh puhleeze, have you read Miller and Sklansky's new book on NL Hold'em yet? Part of winning at NL is manipulating your opponents to play their hands poorly. I agree that Gold's banter was a sales job. There's a point where one could argue such banter crosses the line but Gold didn't even come close to the line IMO.

IMO we had mostly players at the FT who ply their NL skills on the Internet and thus aren't that used to this kind of tactic and don't know how to counteract it. Allen of course doesn't fit this criteria. I think he actually used the banter of Gold to his benefit.

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Here's a guy that IMO plays Ok, no problem with that. He has claimed that he 'doesn't want to carry the responsibility of World Champion' essentially it's too much trouble...(but would like the money..) that's in print and on video.

I thought he was disrespectful to Allen (among others') when he knocked him out (with the worst hand).

He CONTINUES to get Chan's opinions DURING THE GAME (one player to a hand?)

I question his ettiquete, table talk goes too far IMO.

The deck has hit this guy who appears from that couldn't carry the lunch of most pros IMHO.

He acts IMO like he's God's gift. Sorry but this guy currently disgusts me and I'm sad that he apparently will represent the 'World Champion' for a game that most of us love.

What a joke. My opinion, sorry if I offend anyone, it's not intentional. Turned out to be one of the weakest final tables in recent years IMHO.

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You should really make it clear whether this is your opinion or not, cause I can't tell. [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

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Didn't see the hand where Allen went out. Gold IMO played his stack well and as I said in another post Gold being on Allen's left was detrimental to Allen. I'm guessing that if you asked Allen about the table talk he would actually state that Gold's banter gave him a few reads that he wouldn't have otherwise had.

[BlackRain]

I just watched that CP interview. I missed the total lack of class and being a prick part I guess. He seems a likeable enough guy, and whatever you think of his playing abilities, deserves respect as the world champion. congrats to him.

[one_eye_mike]

How in hell does anyone translate prick from that interview?

[revots33]

Who knows, maybe the guy's the biggest a-hole on the planet, but he basically ran over this tournament for the last 4 days and went wire to wire once he got the lead. He put on a big-stack clinic. He deserved the win. Now I hope he's not a douche but I think he probably is. Great playing, though.

[Conspir8or]

What's more important to me is whether he will bring more poor players and their dead money to the tables. That's the only way in which his victory will influence me meaningfully.

[Marlow]

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What's more important to me is whether he will bring more poor players and their dead money to the tables. That's the only way in which his victory will influence me meaningfully.

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I like the way you think.