chess or poker

[captZEEbo]

people that are saying chess hands down are mixing some things up what the question is asking. It's easier to become a winning player at poker than a "winning" player at chess.

[Fly]

[ QUOTE ]

I am not good at Chess and I doubt I would be good at it because I suspect it might require high innate spatial ability which I score in the bottom.


[/ QUOTE ]

I remember reading not long ago (sorry don't have a link) that chess ability has far more to do with logic and memorization then spatial reasoning.

[no_skills]

poker reqiuers much less skill / intelect than chess (poker being no limit holdem). You could show a monkey a chart of hand values and preflop standards and he would be a winner in most games under 5 - 10 no limit.

Poker: 20% skill, 40% luck, 40% steam control/ game selection

Chess: no luck all skill

[durrrr]

[ QUOTE ]
poker reqiuers much less skill / intelect than chess (poker being no limit holdem). You could show a monkey a chart of hand values and preflop standards and he would be a winner in most games under 5 - 10 no limit.

Poker: 20% skill, 40% luck, 40% steam control/ game selection

Chess: no luck all skill

[/ QUOTE ]

lol, maybe @ 1/2nl... @ the higher games there is a lot higher % of skill involved obviously.

[baronzeus]

[ QUOTE ]
g- no one can be a world class chess player without much much more study and experience than it takes to be a world class poker player


[/ QUOTE ]


this is not true, iirc

[KingDan]

At almost all the major tournaments, you see everyone playing poker either in the skittles room, the lobby hotel rooms, or some of the people even try to set up mini casinos where they take rake.

Quite a few of the stronger chess players are actually trying to learn poker bc there isn't enough money in chess.

[yad]

The question of which activity requires more skill isn't really well-defined. But by what most people consider skill, I think it has to be chess. The proof is really in the amount of effort it requires to become world class at either. There are tons of players who pick up poker at 18 or 20, play and study for a few years, and become world-class players. OTOH not even the greatest chess prodigies can even become grandmasters, let alone truly world-class players, without decades of full-time study.

The fact that computers are a lot better at chess than at poker is pretty irrelevant IMO. It just means that it requires less skill for someone to program a computer to play chess than to program a computer to play poker. This is very different from the question of whether it's easier to play poker or to play chess. Computers are also lousy at bridge, for example, and almost nobody would say bridge requires more skill than chess.

[VanVeen]

it's strange that Bld would say this given that it is widely believed spatio-temporal reasoning is involved in almost all pattern recognition and proportional reasoning of the type typically used for tackling the intractable mathematical problems one encounters in poker, i.e. assigning an opponent a hand range and predicting the likelihood of future actions. that sort of thinking is distinct from dividing $463 by $222 or manipulating other clearly defined symbols (what we normally mean by 'mathematical reasoning').

[Subfallen]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
g- no one can be a world class chess player without much much more study and experience than it takes to be a world class poker player


[/ QUOTE ]


this is not true, iirc

[/ QUOTE ]

It is true now, although it was not true 50 years ago.

[Ryendal]

[ QUOTE ]
im nowhere near the best in the world @ nlhe, yet i guarantee i could beat any computer program in nlhe over a long period of time. However computer programs can rival top chess players, b/c in chess there is much more of a 'right' move than in poker. The fact that a computer can be better @ chess than poker can be used as an argument for both being more difficult. Both are v interesting and complex games imo.

[/ QUOTE ]

It isn't because Chess is easier that computer chess programm are better. It is because from many many years, every skilled student wanted to program a chess program. Chess is a symbol. Many genius programmers tried to program chess softwares.
We can't say the same about any othet game.

There is not any TOP 10 player in the chess world who started chess after 10 years, because it is impossible to become very strong if you don't start very early. And these TOP 10 players work at least 6 hours every day since they started.

To become a TOP 10 in chess is simply awesome.