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80% probability, 20% psychology 31 50.82%
100% probability 3 4.92%
50% probability, 50% psychology 16 26.23%
20% probability, 80% psychology 11 18.03%
100% psychology 0 0%
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Old 07-23-2006, 06:42 PM
T_Nasty T_Nasty is offline
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Default Re: Best tournament player of all time

Ok, I'm pretty sure you're yanking my chain now.
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Old 07-23-2006, 06:42 PM
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El D

I think you forgot Mark Seif, he won 2 bracelets last year like in a week. Also, you should consider Men the Master, he has won like 3452 $100 Crazy Pinapple tournaments in LA.

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Seif's results don't really matters ince the fields were smaller last year and the games were easier. Anybody could have won 2 bracelets last year if they just got a bit lucky.
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Old 07-23-2006, 06:43 PM
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sirio,

Mark Seif has played lots and lots of tournaments and was bound to get lucky sooner or later. Hell, even you might win something at some point if you play enough. That would not put either of you guys in legend status with the kinds of guys I list.

I had a tough time with two players, Men the Master and Scotty Nguyen. Both were on the borderline, but in the end I don't think either of them quite make it from "great tournament player" to "one of the best of all-time." With a good performance this year, either of those players can make the jump to true legend status.

I do give my thanks to you for being another WSOP and WPT experienced tourney player giving your feedback.
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Old 07-23-2006, 06:45 PM
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Default Re: Best tournament player of all time

john gale would've won far fewer WSOP bracelets if he wasn't allowed to hug his opponents
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Old 07-23-2006, 06:46 PM
Caldarooni Caldarooni is offline
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El D,

I have some facts which should help end the debate.

At the WSOP this year I played with Helmuth, who told me he was the greatest tournament player of all time.

I also was at the table with Men the Master who agreed that Phil thought he was the greatest tournament player of all time.

Finally, Yeti played with Madsen who at no time told Yeti he was the greatest tournament player of all time.

Boom.
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Old 07-23-2006, 06:49 PM
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I would like you to consider Joe Sebock too, since he seems to cash a lot and I'm always moved when he calls Barry G. "Bear".
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Old 07-23-2006, 06:49 PM
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This is pretty easy, Hellmuth has been eligible to play at the world series of poker for over twenty years, but only has nine braclets. That is less than one every two years.

Madsen has only been eligible for one year but has two bracelets(so far). That is two bracelets a year. If the math is confusing I'll break it down for you, Phil would need to win 31 events this year just to be almost even with Madsen.
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Old 07-23-2006, 06:51 PM
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ELD:

Although I get your point, I chose to vote for Bill Chen because I've been performing massive amounts of fellatio on him in the past two weeks.

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Old 07-23-2006, 06:59 PM
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If you look at all facets of significant tournaments for this decade, I think the list for the modern era (which is really the only time you can measure) would go something like this:

John Juanda
Phil Ivey
Chris Ferguson
Daniel Negreanu
Phil Hellmuth
Allen Cunningham
Erik Seidel
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Old 07-23-2006, 07:01 PM
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I'm suprised at the lack of love for John Gale. ths guy is clearly the best tournament player. He is an animal.
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