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06-30-2006, 08:05 AM
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Re: Hominems
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Second, you need to realize that attacking the flag, the pledge of allegience and other symbols ARE personal attacks against those of us who served to save your chicken sh!t ass. [/ QUOTE ] Someone saying they believe the pledge of allegiance should be abolished is a personal attack on all US soliders? Unbelievable. The audacity to have an opinion on such things! Nothing should ever change, cos dammit that's not what we fought for. Oh, and fool chickensh1t vasectomy. Oooo that feels good. Big man. 
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#42
06-30-2006, 08:14 AM
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Re: Hominems
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[ QUOTE ] Second, you need to realize that attacking the flag, the pledge of allegience and other symbols ARE personal attacks against those of us who served to save your chicken sh!t ass. [/ QUOTE ] Someone saying they believe the pledge of allegiance should be abolished is a personal attack on all US soliders? Unbelievable. The audacity to have an opinion on such things! Nothing should ever change, cos dammit that's not what we fought for. Oh, and fool chickensh1t vasectomy. Oooo that feels good. Big man. [/ QUOTE ] How old are you, little man? Apparently not old enough to have served during Vietnam. Apparently not old enough to have lost a brother in Vietnam. Apparently not old enough to have 3 good friends and 200+ colleagues die in the WTC. Apparently not old enough to understand much at all. Youre damn right, an attack on the country is an attack on those with the respect to defend her with our lives and the lives of our families. You live in a sheltered world of "ideas". We live in the real world.
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#43
06-30-2006, 08:21 AM
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Re: Hominems
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Second, you need to realize that attacking the flag, the pledge of allegience and other symbols ARE personal attacks against those of us who served to save your chicken sh!t ass. [/ QUOTE ] Someone saying they believe the pledge of allegiance should be abolished is a personal attack on all US soliders? Unbelievable. The audacity to have an opinion on such things! Nothing should ever change, cos dammit that's not what we fought for. Oh, and fool chickensh1t vasectomy. Oooo that feels good. Big man. [/ QUOTE ] How old are you, little man? Apparently not old enough to have served during Vietnam. Apparently not old enough to have lost a brother in Vietnam. Apparently not old enough to have 3 good friends and 200+ colleagues die in the WTC. Apparently not old enough to understand much at all. Youre damn right, an attack on the country is an attack on those with the respect to defend her with our lives and the lives of our families. You live in a sheltered world of "ideas". We live in the real world. [/ QUOTE ] Dude, a suggestion that the Pledge of Allegiance in schools isn't necessary or is in some way harmful may be something you forcefully disagree with, but it isn't an "attack on the country" or people that have served it. Get a grip. I'm extremely sorry for any personal losses you've suffered. But they aren't relavent to debating such an issue and bringing them up doesn't strenghten your point.
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#44
06-30-2006, 08:52 AM
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Re: Hominems
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Second, you need to realize that attacking the flag, the pledge of allegience and other symbols ARE personal attacks against those of us who served to save your chicken sh!t ass. [/ QUOTE ] Someone saying they believe the pledge of allegiance should be abolished is a personal attack on all US soliders? Unbelievable. The audacity to have an opinion on such things! Nothing should ever change, cos dammit that's not what we fought for. Oh, and fool chickensh1t vasectomy. Oooo that feels good. Big man. [/ QUOTE ] How old are you, little man? Apparently not old enough to have served during Vietnam. Apparently not old enough to have lost a brother in Vietnam. Apparently not old enough to have 3 good friends and 200+ colleagues die in the WTC. Apparently not old enough to understand much at all. Youre damn right, an attack on the country is an attack on those with the respect to defend her with our lives and the lives of our families. You live in a sheltered world of "ideas". We live in the real world. [/ QUOTE ] Dude, a suggestion that the Pledge of Allegiance in schools isn't necessary or is in some way harmful may be something you forcefully disagree with, but it isn't an "attack on the country" or people that have served it. Get a grip. I'm extremely sorry for any personal losses you've suffered. But they aren't relavent to debating such an issue and bringing them up doesn't strenghten your point. [/ QUOTE ] Honest debate is difficult to find. there are those incapable and those whose position is threatened that resort to name calling and diversionary tactics. My teenagers are quick to resort to this approach. Fortunately those that do so reveal themselves as flailers in the shallow end of the pool and are less likely to be taken seriously. though I admit that the name calling on a number of tv and radio talk shows makes my point debateable....
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#45
06-30-2006, 09:20 AM
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Re: Hominems
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Second, you need to realize that attacking the flag, the pledge of allegience and other symbols ARE personal attacks against those of us who served to save your chicken sh!t ass. [/ QUOTE ] Someone saying they believe the pledge of allegiance should be abolished is a personal attack on all US soliders? Unbelievable. The audacity to have an opinion on such things! Nothing should ever change, cos dammit that's not what we fought for. Oh, and fool chickensh1t vasectomy. Oooo that feels good. Big man. [/ QUOTE ] How old are you, little man? Apparently not old enough to have served during Vietnam. Apparently not old enough to have lost a brother in Vietnam. Apparently not old enough to have 3 good friends and 200+ colleagues die in the WTC. Apparently not old enough to understand much at all. Youre damn right, an attack on the country is an attack on those with the respect to defend her with our lives and the lives of our families. You live in a sheltered world of "ideas". We live in the real world. [/ QUOTE ] Dude, a suggestion that the Pledge of Allegiance in schools isn't necessary or is in some way harmful may be something you forcefully disagree with, but it isn't an "attack on the country" or people that have served it. Get a grip. I'm extremely sorry for any personal losses you've suffered. But they aren't relavent to debating such an issue and bringing them up doesn't strenghten your point. [/ QUOTE ] Ignoring what this part of the thread is about doesnt strengthen your point. [ QUOTE ] The pledge should have been deleted eons ago. [/ QUOTE ] It doesnt say "not in schools", it says "deleted". The day the PoA, Flag and Anthem are "deleted" (for who knows what hypothetical infringemet on rights) is the day that the deconstruction of the country's values has succeeded. And some idiot poster will jump up and down about his Constitutional rights, and ignore the value of reinforcing belief in the country and its founding priciples. Hypocrtical cowards. In the past I was strongly opposed to a draft. After reading this board and some blogs, I think mandatory service of some kind is necessary to right this sinking ship.
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#46
06-30-2006, 10:51 AM
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Re: Hominems
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Second, you need to realize that attacking the flag, the pledge of allegience and other symbols ARE personal attacks against those of us who served to save your chicken sh!t ass. [/ QUOTE ] Someone saying they believe the pledge of allegiance should be abolished is a personal attack on all US soliders? Unbelievable. The audacity to have an opinion on such things! Nothing should ever change, cos dammit that's not what we fought for. Oh, and fool chickensh1t vasectomy. Oooo that feels good. Big man. [/ QUOTE ] How old are you, little man? Apparently not old enough to have served during Vietnam. Apparently not old enough to have lost a brother in Vietnam. Apparently not old enough to have 3 good friends and 200+ colleagues die in the WTC. Apparently not old enough to understand much at all. Youre damn right, an attack on the country is an attack on those with the respect to defend her with our lives and the lives of our families. You live in a sheltered world of "ideas". We live in the real world. [/ QUOTE ] Dude, a suggestion that the Pledge of Allegiance in schools isn't necessary or is in some way harmful may be something you forcefully disagree with, but it isn't an "attack on the country" or people that have served it. Get a grip. I'm extremely sorry for any personal losses you've suffered. But they aren't relavent to debating such an issue and bringing them up doesn't strenghten your point. [/ QUOTE ] Ignoring what this part of the thread is about doesnt strengthen your point. [ QUOTE ] The pledge should have been deleted eons ago. [/ QUOTE ] It doesnt say "not in schools", it says "deleted". The day the PoA, Flag and Anthem are "deleted" (for who knows what hypothetical infringemet on rights) is the day that the deconstruction of the country's values has succeeded. And some idiot poster will jump up and down about his Constitutional rights, and ignore the value of reinforcing belief in the country and its founding priciples. Hypocrtical cowards. In the past I was strongly opposed to a draft. After reading this board and some blogs, I think mandatory service of some kind is necessary to right this sinking ship. [/ QUOTE ] I'm not American so a US draft wouldn't help you brainwash me, sorry. Perhaps the poster's language was a little aggressive re: the pledge of allegiance but to take what he said as a personal insult to all US soldiers and an "attack on the country" worthy of personal attacks is hysteria at its shrillest.
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#47
06-30-2006, 11:19 AM
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I'm not American [/ QUOTE ] enough said
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#50
06-30-2006, 05:00 PM
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Re: What is patriotism?
first i dont think the pledge should be eliminated. i dont think the god part should have been added for political reasons. that isnt what the pledge is. if it is then it should be abolished. kids should never have to pledge anything in school. no one should. the school is n ot the place to make someone pledge. and it isnt voluntary as a young kid doesnt have the real option not to do it as he gets punished severly from others mentally.
as far as brainwashing the military does it constantly. any hipe about fighting for your country is berainwashing as with many other things. you go to war and fight and die to protect your country not to defend a politicians bad decisions or even good ones. you fight when there is no choice. without the hipe and brainwashing and making recruits scared of punishment wouldnt thinking people, not go fight in some of these places. when you join its not optional where they send you. i do commend our troops and support each and every one of them. but i dont have to agree with the process of the military on how they get the troops and what they do with them. those that blindly follow orders from any source are indeed brainwashed in my mind. our country is not being attacked and our troops are not fighting for freedom they are fighting, defending lies and the fact that saadam wanted to get bush sr.
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