For Lovers of conspiracy theories

[RedAces7]

I am worried about what is happening to our freedom. I have showed you how the patriot act definition of a terrorist can be applied to many crimes. I have told you what they can do to you if you are a "terrorist". Do you want to live in a country where this is the law? Do you think its a good thing for a government to have these powers. We love America for our freedom and the constitution but this just butchers all of it. Can you not see how? Do you think mandatory ID cards have a place in a free society?

Liberal, Republican,Democrat these are just labels, they get nothing accomplished and they only create division. Why not have thoughts and ideas that are your own, that dont have to adhere to any certain way of thinking. I have not resorted to name calling or anger once and that is because this is important information and I just want people to see why these things are so bad for our freedom and our country. I can give you quotes about our founding fathers talking about these very things and how dangerous they are, would you call them typical liberal nuts? Would you question there wisdom? No you wouldnt and my way of thinking is much like theres in this respect.

[Hopey]

And I guess you figure that posting these things in a poker newsgroup is going to make a lick of difference.

[I_Eat_BLTs]

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And I guess you figure that posting these things in a poker newsgroup is going to make a lick of difference.

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Knowledge is power.

[Reef]

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Sources on ID please.

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May 2005

Last-minute attempts by online activists to halt an electronic ID card failed Tuesday when the U.S. Senate unanimously voted to impose a sweeping set of identification requirements on Americans.

The so-called Real ID Act now heads to President Bush, who is expected to sign the bill into law this month. Its backers, including the Bush administration, say it's needed to stop illegal immigrants from obtaining drivers' licenses.

If the act's mandates take effect in May 2008, as expected, Americans will be required to obtain federally approved ID cards with "machine readable technology" that abides by Department of Homeland Security specifications. Anyone without such an ID card will be effectively prohibited from traveling by air or Amtrak, opening a bank account, or entering federal buildings.

After the Real ID Act's sponsors glued it to an Iraq military spending bill, final passage was all but guaranteed. Yet that didn't stop a dedicated cadre of privacy activists from trying to raise the alarm in the last few days.

UnRealID.com, which calls the legislation a "national ID card," says that more than 10,800 people filled out its online petition to senators.

The Electronic Frontier Foundation hastily created a "Stop The Real ID Act!" campaign last week, and the ACLU denounced the bill as a measure that would create "a system ripe for identity theft." Security guru Bruce Schneier offered his own negative critique.

If the Real ID Act had been a standalone piece of legislation--instead of being embedded in an unrelated military spending bill--its passage in the Senate might have been less certain.

The House approved it in February by a relatively narrow vote of 261-161, and some senators had condemned it. Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill., warned last month that the Real ID Act creates "de facto national ID cards" and the National Immigration Law Center said it will make it harder even for legal immigrants and citizens to get drivers' licenses.

Rep. F. James Sensenbrenner, a Wisconsin Republican and Real ID Act sponsor, applauded the Senate vote on Tuesday. "The Real ID is vital to preventing foreign terrorists from hiding in plain sight while conducting their operations and planning attacks," Sensenbrenner said. "By targeting terrorist travel, the Real ID will assist in our war-on-terror efforts to disrupt terrorist operations and help secure our borders."


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[HitHard69]

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Liberal, Republican,Democrat these are just labels, they get nothing accomplished and they only create division. Why not have thoughts and ideas that are your own, that dont have to adhere to any certain way of thinking. I have not resorted to name calling or anger once and that is because this is important information and I just want people to see why these things are so bad for our freedom and our country.

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Hippy talk.

[marchron]

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"Who benefits?" doesn't equal proof.

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No it does not, and I do not want to make unsubstantiated claims so will just say its my opinion that whenever theres a terrorist act in any major country it seems strange to me that they are increasingly taking away our rights using legislation they have has ready for some time.

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Please list rights — and I insist, RIGHTS — you have lost since the passing of the PATRIOT Act.

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Heres a quote for you by Benjamin Franklin

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Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

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Any questions thanks.

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I commend you on using the real Franklin quote instead of what normally passes for it, where the words "essential" and "temporary" are removed.

I contend that we have given up very few (if any) essential liberties, and for it have purchased almost five years of safety . . . and counting.

I'd also remind you that without safety, the very idea of "liberty" is a farce.

[Borodog]

Can we just have a bot that runs weekly and starts this same thread every time?

Or is that what we already have?