Alan Goerhing

[goodguy_1]

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I don't think anyone in the world can maintain on a sustainable basis the 800%+ return ($4.6mm gross winnings) I have experienced in $10k & up events.

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gross winnings why the heck would use this? how about your net winnings? net of all buy-ins,travel,lodging etc.

[Patrick Bateman]

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[Don't laugh, but being left handed would help.

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I'm not laughing but please explain.

[two0crew]

I did silently..

[kurosh]

To be honest, he sounds like another person who has convinced themselves they can beat roulette with their amazing system and now he is trying to keep it secret. Is it possible that he has a lot of underlying super poker theory that makes it correct to minraise AA in EP and bet tiny the entire way? Sure, but it's much more likely he's another tournament donk riding the positive side of variance. Notice he doesn't play in cash games and I believe he said he has only played in around 50 tournaments.

[dumbndumb]

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To be honest, he sounds like another person who has convinced themselves they can beat roulette with their amazing system and now he is trying to keep it secret. Is it possible that he has a lot of underlying super poker theory that makes it correct to minraise AA in EP and bet tiny the entire way? Sure, but it's much more likely he's another tournament donk riding the positive side of variance. Notice he doesn't play in cash games and I believe he said he has only played in around 50 tournaments.

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At first glance I can see how his post can seem like he is winning via a secret potion or something. However, I think it is more a matter that Alan is attributing his abilities more to "personality" (or an inherent aspect of his character) rather than something that can be taught. I don't think he is saying he has a supersystem, but is instead saying something along the lines of his winning is related to something inherent that he cannot explain. And while he has only played in 50 tourney's the fact that he has very good results. Variance doesn't make people win several major event (although it can boost one's results).

[nath]

Alan Goehring is my hero.

Also, I am left-handed.

[cbloom]

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However, I think it is more a matter that Alan is attributing his abilities more to "personality" (or an inherent aspect of his character) rather than something that can be taught.


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There's certainly a huge value in playing weird, being fearless, taking risks to gather chips, willing to gamble, being aggressive, not scared of getting knocked out, etc..

[Alan Goehring]

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I don't think anyone in the world can maintain on a sustainable basis the 800%+ return ($4.6mm gross winnings) I have experienced in $10k & up events.

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gross winnings why the heck would use this? how about your net winnings? net of all buy-ins,travel,lodging etc.

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Apparently you are not a mathematician. If you divide $4.6mm by 8, it implies buy-ins under $575k. Since I was talking about variance and comparing future results in $10k+ events to the past, it was the 800%+ figure that was important.

Secondly, if you are analyzing how well you are "playing poker", you want to look solely at various win rates, travel expenses are irrelevant.

But since you bring it up, most of the $10k events I played were in Vegas, were I live. I would estimate my LIFETIME "incremental" travel expenses around $10k (e.g., I played WPT Paris twice as a prelude to a European vacation (otherwise I wouldn't have played), I visit/stay with family in NYC, close to Foxwoods/Borgata), or about $20k using irrelevant "full costing". I don't see myself dedicating more than 16-22 days per year playing poker on the road.

Frankly, providing you with my exact net win is very low on my priority list---lets just say I am ahead right now.

[Alan Goehring]

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I think it is more a matter that Alan is attributing his abilities more to "personality" (or an inherent aspect of his character) rather than something that can be taught. I don't think he is saying he has a supersystem, but is instead saying something along the lines of his winning is related to something inherent that he cannot explain.

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Actually, I have a very clear cut strategy. I said I don't want to explain to the world how I play by posting under my own name---that shouldn't be too shocking. I only mention the PF min. raise part because it is obvious to anyone at my table after 30-60 minutes, and is well known among the top pros. The fact that people think I play like Hellmuth or the post about playing AA in EP implies the vast majority of the world is clueless about how I play---lets keep it that way.

I was talking as much about Gus Hansen as myself, but yes, some personality traits are beneficial (Approaching the game and thinking about strategy differently than most players, not really caring about how much I win (or going bust) might give me an edge, etc. etc.)

[Smoothcall]

Hi Alan,

This post may seem like a rip on you but it is only due to my reaction of you calling out hellmuth. And saying you play more similar to daniel n and carlos m. You seem on tv to be a nice guy so im not trying to be mean but comparing yourself to thiose players and wanting to puke at hellmuth is just way overboard.

While i feel all three phil h. danil n. and carlos m. arent near as good as they believe they are i think they are far superior to you. I wouldnt call you out on this since you a nice guy if you didnt bring it up fisrt and embarras hellmuth. While i enjoy the dig at phil h. it is simply not true that his play should make you puke. While i dont agree with some of his plays he definately make many less mistakes than you. And you can say its hard to determine from tv but its not just from tv. Howard lederer's hands he described you played, and from other pros who have talked about your play i beleiev you make alot more mistakes(and much bigger mistakes) than these three players. I think you do some things that are right in big nl tournies. Agression and fearlessness among the top things. But you also made big out of line bad plays imo. I would describe you as a player who will usally go bust at start of tourney but when you dont you have alot of chips. You play lucky poker. You put people to test get money in with worst hand and suckout or go broke, ala Gus Hansen. Again it sounds like i think your horrible and i don't. I think you make horrible plays, and sometimes you make very good plays. But maybe by accident. Anoterwards you get involved in big pots and make crazy plays and sometimes they work and it was correct to do so. But somtims they bust you.

I guess all i'm saying is i think you are overestimating your abilities when you think phil helhuth's play want to make you puke and you play like Danil N., and carlos m. I think you are a dangerous opponent on a given big nl event but not a big winner and maybe a loser in the long run. You are rekless that makes you dangerous, just like Gus Hansen. But doesnt make you a great player imo. I wouldnt have called you out if you didnt come on her and call out hellmuth and boast youself as an excellent top player. But if it was a competition on personality, and the amount of class you handle youself with, i think you would beat daniel n. and phil h. by a mile.