2-5NL Games in Vegas: Can you make a living? - Page 5

Riverman · #41 01-06-2006, 05:25 PM

I would agree that limit generally has more variance, but this is less true as you move up in stakes. Very few players at 100/200 NL will push their draws and make you guess, whereas the opposite is true at 1000/2000 NL.

toby · #42 01-06-2006, 05:29 PM

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smbruin22 · #43 01-06-2006, 05:45 PM

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NL has very little variance if you know what you are doing. The variance is the highest the fastest and loosest you play. Ie the Party 25NL games from 2 years ago. I used to auto push or bet pot with JJ or better on brick flops and invariably got called by ace high guys every time. If I nutpeddaled I would have had almost no variance. These days when I play live I stick to rock styles as I don't really have a live roll and just withdraw cash from a savings account to play 1/2 NL(100max) live.....

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what does a brick flop mean??? trying to figure out what you mean (and it looks interesting).... seems like the ace high guys calling is good, but i suppose it increases variance (but it's huge +EV i'd think), but as i said, i don't understand what "brick flop" means.

can you really wait for the nuts (or near-nuts) B&M?... won't people notice you barely ever play???? .. and isn't it a pain with session fees? (BTW, i don't know how many places are rake vs. session fee).

any responses would be greatly appreciated. so thanks in advance!!

lapoker17 · #44 01-06-2006, 05:58 PM

didnt read any other posts.

i know a guy who beats a 200 nl live game in la w a 200 cap for 10k - 20k month. it is a miserable existence, and he plays too many hours, but certainly possible.

ThaHero · #45 01-06-2006, 10:02 PM

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NL has very little variance if you know what you are doing. The variance is the highest the fastest and loosest you play. Ie the Party 25NL games from 2 years ago. I used to auto push or bet pot with JJ or better on brick flops and invariably got called by ace high guys every time. If I nutpeddaled I would have had almost no variance. These days when I play live I stick to rock styles as I don't really have a live roll and just withdraw cash from a savings account to play 1/2 NL(100max) live.....

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what does a brick flop mean??? trying to figure out what you mean (and it looks interesting).... seems like the ace high guys calling is good, but i suppose it increases variance (but it's huge +EV i'd think), but as i said, i don't understand what "brick flop" means.

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By "brick flop" I'm assuming he means flops like 852 3 different suits or even a flop like 552. These are flops noone is likely to have hit, since most people calling raises are calling with AK, KQ, KJ, Ax etc. A flop of AK9 with two suits of the same color is definately not a brick flop, for example.

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can you really wait for the nuts (or near-nuts) B&M?... won't people notice you barely ever play???? .. and isn't it a pain with session fees? (BTW, i don't know how many places are rake vs. session fee).

any responses would be greatly appreciated. so thanks in advance!!

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Yes you can, at least at lower limits like 100 and 200. One day while playing at Hollywood Park, I was totally card dead except for a few AA and KK hands that had me sitting with a $300 stack at 100 max buyin. Someone remarked- "Man you sure are a rock!" I said no, I haven't been getting any cards. He said "No, it's nothing to be ashamed of. That's good!" A few hands later I raised and got a couple callers. Most of these guys don't pay attention, and when they do, generally they don't care, if they have something decent they will call. They are there to gamble, not grind out a living.

lefty rosen · #46 01-07-2006, 03:39 AM

I will take a 15K a month miserable existence, any day. If he wants to work as cabbie in LA and then compare the to, let me know....... [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

smbruin22 · #47 01-07-2006, 03:26 PM

By "brick flop" I'm assuming he means flops like 852 3 different suits or even a flop like 552. These are flops noone is likely to have hit, since most people calling raises are calling with AK, KQ, KJ, Ax etc. A flop of AK9 with two suits of the same color is definately not a brick flop, for example.

Yes you can, at least at lower limits like 100 and 200. One day while playing at Hollywood Park, I was totally card dead except for a few AA and KK hands that had me sitting with a $300 stack at 100 max buyin. Someone remarked- "Man you sure are a rock!" I said no, I haven't been getting any cards. He said "No, it's nothing to be ashamed of. That's good!" A few hands later I raised and got a couple callers. Most of these guys don't pay attention, and when they do, generally they don't care, if they have something decent they will call. They are there to gamble, not grind out a living.

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tha, thanks....

more or less what i thought about brick flop (same as raggy flop??).... but lefty made it sound like JJ getting called by ace-high on brick flop was bad. i think it's great, especially if you can be called by two players with aces (one might be drawing near-dead and if there are two aces out, that really cuts down on odds of ace coming on turn/river)... wasn't sure if lefty was advocating not playing JJ aggressively (but i may have misread or misinterpreted it).

thanks for the help!!

Biloxi · #48 01-07-2006, 03:48 PM

Just curious why Bellagio and Wynn are the two most talked about NL rooms? surely there are others with 1/2 and 2/5?

And to those who multi-table online... How do you pick up betting patterns of other players with so many tables going? Or do you just play very tight and wait for very strong hands. Thanks

MicroBob · #49 01-07-2006, 10:27 PM

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but lefty made it sound like JJ getting called by ace-high on brick flop was bad.

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no he didn't. he made it sound good (which it is). you had a reading-comprehension foul-up somewhere in there.

He was showing how stupid your opponents are at that level and how simple it is to win because they will still call your bets with total crap.

Eder · #50 01-07-2006, 11:36 PM

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I think you can make 2K a month at the 4/8 LHE games in vegas (avg 2 BB/hr @ 40 hours/week = 640/week

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Nobody's true winrate in a live 4/8 limit game is really 2BB/hr.

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and wtf you intend to live on 2k/month???? this isnt the 60's...a reasonable living is 6k/month...lets you eat pizza on weekends at least. Yes you can sleep in a culvert but seriously get a trade etc...