SSNL [cheese] thread: APRIL 2007 (nc)

[craigthedeac]

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Flat calling preflop and check raising the flop might be a better line than 4 betting

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i don't know many villains where i would like this line. when you call 3 bets cold preflop it sends out some major flags, and theyll be checking behind very often. i think you have to 4bet/call here.

[Panthro]

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in spanish, wtf is sona

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I just read somewhere that it's a prison in Panama.

btw, that show effin rules.

[Kilillan]

Yes, you have to pay taxes and [censored]

But I CAN USE NETELLER AND PARTY WHAT IT DO

[aislephive]

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Flat calling preflop and check raising the flop might be a better line than 4 betting

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i don't know many villains where i would like this line. when you call 3 bets cold preflop it sends out some major flags, and theyll be checking behind very often. i think you have to 4bet/call here.

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Yeah the majority of the time I'm 4 betting preflop, since I don't cold call 3 bets with a wide range at all. But some players it has merit against, particularly players I don't have history with and might get away from QQ/JJ if I 4 bet but might feel committed to calling my shove on a rag flop, etc.

[Kilillan]

I think a 4-bet shove has much more merit than a smaller 4-bet.

A 4-bet shove looks a lot LESS scary to a better player than a practical minraise there

[aislephive]

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I think a 4-bet shove has much more merit than a smaller 4-bet.

A 4-bet shove looks a lot LESS scary to a better player than a practical minraise there

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Maybe in this exact spot, but in general I disagree. Especially when it comes to a typical situation where I open on the button, and a tag 3 bets from the blinds. 4 bet shoving as a bluff is pretty gross. And a small 4 bet is way more likely to be a bluff than a 4 bet shove.

[holyfield5]

so when i file taxes, i was thinking, how smart would it be to claim everything except my bankroll? if i never take that money off the site i dont think i would ever get in trouble for it AMIRITE? i dont technically have the moneey anyways its floating around the interwebs.

[GrandMelon]

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ok i folded KK preflop, ill never do it again. we all happy now?

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It's not that you folded KK preflop, it's more how you did it.

If you think he isn't shoving over your 4 bet with less than KK, then your 4bet makes no sense. The fact of the matter is that people will shove AK/QQ there all the time making your fold a big, big mistake. Do you honestly think he plays AK any differently?

People need to realize that AA vs KK is just a cooler 100bbs deep between two relatively aggressive tags. Flat calling preflop and check raising the flop might be a better line than 4 betting, it's player dependant. But just don't fold, period.

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I never planned on folding to the shove after I 4 bet. I was kind of on auto pilot and saw I was OOP so I 4 bet. Once I saw his shove and stopped and thought for a moment instead of instacalling like I always do:

He RR an UTG raise, very strong
I cold 4 bet, extremely strong as no one in SSNL does this without a monster
He shoves over that, BG is an aggressive player but not retarded. I didnt think he would do that with AK or QQ, and since I had 2 of the kings that left AA.

His small 3 bet actually save me cause if he makes it like 24 then Im making it like 80 and Im obviously never folding to a shove there, but since I still had a a good amount behind I figured I could fold.


This is the first time Ive folded KK preflop and probably one of the last.
Thats my story and Im stickin with it.[img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

[BGnight]

"BG is an aggressive player but not retarded"

why thank you

[Don Key E37]

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ok i folded KK preflop, ill never do it again. we all happy now?

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It's not that you folded KK preflop, it's more how you did it.

If you think he isn't shoving over your 4 bet with less than KK, then your 4bet makes no sense. The fact of the matter is that people will shove AK/QQ there all the time making your fold a big, big mistake. Do you honestly think he plays AK any differently?

People need to realize that AA vs KK is just a cooler 100bbs deep between two relatively aggressive tags. Flat calling preflop and check raising the flop might be a better line than 4 betting, it's player dependant. But just don't fold, period.

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I never planned on folding to the shove after I 4 bet. I was kind of on auto pilot and saw I was OOP so I 4 bet. Once I saw his shove and stopped and thought for a moment instead of instacalling like I always do:

He RR an UTG raise, very strong
I cold 4 bet, extremely strong as no one in SSNL does this without a monster
He shoves over that, BG is an aggressive player but not retarded. I didnt think he would do that with AK or QQ, and since I had 2 of the kings that left AA.

His small 3 bet actually save me cause if he makes it like 24 then Im making it like 80 and Im obviously never folding to a shove there, but since I still had a a good amount behind I figured I could fold.


This is the first time Ive folded KK preflop and probably one of the last.
Thats my story and Im stickin with it.[img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

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whatever you were right and despite what everyone says I see no problem dumpin kk preflop if you think your beat. I don't do it often/ever really. But there is times when I'm pretty sure I'm beat when I wish I did. And of those times if I did I'd definetly be +EV. NH I say.