"Jesus" advises Yang to stiff dealers? - Page 46

RR · #**451** 07-26-2007, 01:02 PM

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The IRS agrees that they will not claim the dealer made more and the dealer agrees he will not claim he made less.

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more/less than what?

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The agreement is made in advance that the dealer will be taxed on $x/hr. The dealer doesn't "claim" an amount, the amount he is going to be taxed on is determined in advance.

VegasTommy · #**452** 07-26-2007, 01:48 PM

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The IRS agrees that they will not claim the dealer made more and the dealer agrees he will not claim he made less.

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more/less than what?

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The agreement is made in advance that the dealer will be taxed on $x/hr. The dealer doesn't "claim" an amount, the amount he is going to be taxed on is determined in advance.

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Which also means, that if for some reason a Dealer did not make enough money to even meet the Tip Compliance that day, he will still be charged the FULL TIP COMPLIANCE on his check. This can happen with DEAD SPREADS, BROKEN GAMES, and when you sit on games where people dont TIP. So, the Dealer is going to pay the TIP compliance regardless of what he makes that day.

P.S. The I.R.S just raised everyone's TIP compliance on the Strip. Rates will rise over the next three years I believe. This was not just for Poker, for all TIPPPED employees I believe.

Tommy

AngusThermopyle · #**453** 07-26-2007, 01:48 PM

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The agreement is made in advance that the dealer will be taxed on $x/hr. The dealer doesn't "claim" an amount, the amount he is going to be taxed on is determined in advance.

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Thanks for the info. I assume that results on most dealers having at small portion of their tips untaxed. (not that I mind).

TxRedMan · #**454** 07-26-2007, 01:57 PM

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After reading this thread, I'm pissed I left $80 for a $3700 score. Never tipping after a tournament cash again.

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i cashed for $37,000 and was asked if i wanted to leave gratuity, and i declined. i paid $2000 and they withheld $180, and they also added chips to the event. there were 535 entrants iirc. so they withheld roughly $95,000 of prize money, or 9% in a large buy-in tournament and if the dealers are upset about players not tipping, they should speak to harrahs about not withholding so much money from the prizepool. if they had withheld 5%, i would have tipped.

on a side note, a dealer from my game here in dallas dealt to me at the final table, and next time i see him i'm going to give him something. probably some money for gratuity, and a knuckle sandwich for that deuce on the river when i had the best hand both ways and the other guy was all-in. damnit hercules!

noseeds99 · #**455** 07-26-2007, 02:40 PM

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and a knuckle sandwich

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lol

99 problems · #**456** 07-26-2007, 09:24 PM

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if i won the ME i wouldnt want to tip after reading this but i still probably would. i wouldnt want some psychopath dealer hunting me down and killing me because i didnt tip at all.

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LOL

mo42nyy · #**457** 07-26-2007, 11:53 PM

Do we then go, wait a second, suppose the waiter covers five tables at a time. $150 per table probably would be low as an average, since many tables have more than two people dining. Figure over the course of six hours or so the waiter covers 20 tables. Why the waiter is getting $600 dollars for a six hour shift or $100 dollars an hour. Even assuming some of that is shared with the hostess and busboys that's an outrageous amount! Why, I'll just leave an eight dollar tip, the same as I do for the waitress at Outback - that's a much more reasonable earn for the waiter.

this thinking is beyond flawed
harahs already took out a lot for the tip
you shouldnt be comparing a fancy resteraunt to outback
you should be comparing a fancy resteraunt with a graturity taken out to one that doesnt take it out
Would you still tip 20% if they already took out a reasonable gratuity?

deucethree · #**458** 07-27-2007, 07:42 AM

I've never understood the line, "if dealers make too much money why don't you do it?" Dealing is not a satisfying career for most people. Should a high school math teacher quit his day job to pitch cards for twice the cash? Just because the answer is no (for most hs math teachers) doesn't mean the dealer isn't getting an incredible wage.

Mitch Evans · #**459** 07-27-2007, 07:58 AM

Dealers wouldn't complain about money if they took away the rack of red tax.

RR · #**460** 07-27-2007, 10:23 AM

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I've never understood the line, "if dealers make too much money why don't you do it?" Dealing is not a satisfying career for most people. Should a high school math teacher quit his day job to pitch cards for twice the cash? Just because the answer is no (for most hs math teachers) doesn't mean the dealer isn't getting an incredible wage.

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By this definition they aren't over paid. Someone is overpaid if they make so much money that it attracts others to the field to compete with them. When places can't fill the positions that means the wage is less than what is needed to attract people to the job. The two biggest complaints I see about dealers are they aren't any good and they make too much money. Those can't both be true; if the dealers aren't any good it is because they aren't making enough to attract the best dealers.