WSOP Day 7 Main Event Thread

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If AC wins he falls just short of WSOP POTY, lol. Kinda gay.

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Why? POY represents the best player in all the tournaments. If the ME champ always won it, there would be no point in having the award at all.

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Madsen's results:

buyin . entrants . finish . POY points
2000 . . . 670 . . . 3 . . . . 640
2000 . . .1579 . . . 1 . . . . 960
5000 . . . 507 . . . 1 . . . .1440
1000 . . . 788 . . . 3 . . . . 640

Cunningham:

5000 . . . .81 . . . 6 . . . . 128
1000 . . . 752 . . . 1 . . . .1440

Cunningham would need 2112 points to catch Madsen. It seems odd that the ME with almost 9000 players isn't worth at least 50% more than a regular WSOP event.

What is the logic behind the POY points system anyway?

[bdk3clash]

While obsessively refreshing CardPlayer.com to sweat Binger I found this:

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Wow, i'm sad to say it was a terrible play by Rizen.

Why? Why? Why risk over 2 million to win $600,000 against the chip leader? With ace-rag?

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Holy Jesus Balls. I can't believe all the results-oriented BS that has gone on on this site since Rizen busted. I mean, if it was me that did it, I can understand, because who am I. But Rizen has proven himself. Gold just had a hand. I guarantee if the update was:

Lynch wins big pot vs Gold
Eric 'Rizen' Lynch limps in. Jaime Gold raises to $500,000. Lynch moves allin for $2 million total. Gold thinks and folds, and Rizen has added a sizable chunk to his stack.

Then there would have been 50,000 posts of "pwned" and "bout time someone stood up to Gold." I guarantee the move was +cev, and certainly good for Gold to know Rizen couldn't be pushed around. Unfortunately, Gold had a hand, and somehow did what I can never do and beat ace-undercard with a pocket pair.

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Right or wrong, your argument is terrible.

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How so? Are the people criticizing the play being results oriented or not? Rizen clearly is not some random "oooo an ace!" donk off the street, right? He had reason to believe it would work, right? It didn't.

I'm happy to see some ranges and stove #s if you wanna argue the strategy of it. But you tell me if Rizen picked up 25% of his stack by limp-RR'ing Gold, what the reaction would have been?

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My point is, is that in your example, we don't know what hand Rizen has, so we therefore can only assume he made a good play (even if it was a 23o he did it with). It's a different story when we see what cards he did it with.

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Well, OK, but that's less relevant to me, since the cards in Rizen's hand really are secondary to the position, timing, and ranges for Gold to raise and range for Gold to call, and how wide the disparity is, which is IMO the most important factor.

Would it have been a good play with 88? AK? I don't think the fact that he had A6 matters that much. And also, I don't think the response would have been an iota different in my example if at the end had been "Lynch tossed his cards toward the muck, but they landed face up, revealing the Aspade and the 6heart" It still all would have been "yeah, he knows he can't cal without a big hand, and unless he has AA, he's no worse than 30-70. nh Rizen"

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Cards are not irrelevant, though I agree they are of secondary importance. I'd much rather Rizen do this with a hand like 68s or JTs than A6o.

Also, trying this play with AK or 88 is just terrible, IMO.

[alvaroaze]

6
John Magill
5,300,000
Up $2,750,000

19
Richard Lee
490,000
Down $-2,310,000

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Here's some more odds to win from bluesq.com, if you want to bet "each way", (finish in the top 3), the odds would be N/4 instead of N/1:

Jamie Gold 5/1
Erik Friberg 8/1
David Einhorn 10/1
Rhett Butler 11/1
Allen Cunningham 11/1

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Good odds on Allen, eh?

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Now they are, but they were atrocious odds when it was posted. I think he had about 1/30th of the chips.

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I'm not sure if you're kididng or not, but those 11/1 odds on Cunningham were awful.

He's a good player and all, but let's be honest - he is back in this thing primarily because the deck has hit him hard. I mean AA v. KK between two sizable stacks... flopping a set and having your opponent pay you off.

[AngusThermopyle]

Magill Doubles Up to Cripple Lee
On a board showing
7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
, with around $1,200,000 in the pot, Richard Lee pushes all-in for $2,500,000. John Magill thinks for a long while before finally pushing all-in for the call. Magill shows A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] or two pair, Aces and 7's. Lee flips up J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] for Jack-high and is drawing dead. The meaningless river is the 4 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] and Magill takes down the pot to double up to $5,300,000. Lee is crippled in the hand and is down to $490,000.

[Bob Sacamano]

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Why? POY represents the best player in all the tournaments. If the ME champ always won it, there would be no point in having the award at all.

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I'm not saying the ME champ should always win it, but Cunningham had a pretty sick year, and if he wins the ME I would've thought that would be enough, but he just misses.

EDIT: I think Bill Chen could take POTY however, if he were to win this mini NL event.

[entertainme]

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<font color="green">Kevmath</font> is green. I just noticed.

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I hear it's not easy being green. Congrats Kev!

[Dids]

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While obsessively refreshing CardPlayer.com to sweat Binger I found this:



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I've been really enjoying these, if only because they're all busto at this point.

And yeah- some of the decsriptions have been laughable.