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#451
07-28-2006, 07:46 PM
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Re: Israel\'s Attack on Lebanon and Hezbollah
"Say you have 1 Hezbollah fighter living in a town and 399 living outside of the town. Is Israel justified in killing 100 civilians to get to that 1 fighter? "
If hes firing missiles from his prayer rug, absolutely. 
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#452
07-28-2006, 07:49 PM
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Re: Israel\'s Attack on Lebanon and Hezbollah
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"Say you have 1 Hezbollah fighter living in a town and 399 living outside of the town. Is Israel justified in killing 100 civilians to get to that 1 fighter? " If hes firing missiles from his prayer rug, absolutely. [/ QUOTE ] Do you believe there should be any limit at all to the number of civilian casualties? For example, would Israel be justified in nuking Lebanon flat? Your response suggest that they would.
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#453
07-28-2006, 08:02 PM
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Re: Israel\'s Attack on Lebanon and Hezbollah
BCVP,
Your question is valid, in bringing up the proportionality of response to that of injury inflicted. But it is equally valid to consider the degree to which such a populace is logistically supporting such fighters.
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#454
07-28-2006, 08:16 PM
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Re: Israel\'s Attack on Lebanon and Hezbollah
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[ QUOTE ] "Say you have 1 Hezbollah fighter living in a town and 399 living outside of the town. Is Israel justified in killing 100 civilians to get to that 1 fighter? " If hes firing missiles from his prayer rug, absolutely. [/ QUOTE ] Do you believe there should be any limit at all to the number of civilian casualties? For example, would Israel be justified in nuking Lebanon flat? Your response suggest that they would. [/ QUOTE ] lets leave nuking out of it, since that brings in ancillary issues. MOABng Lebanon flat? If that is the minimal force necessary to defeat HZB, yes. It became Lebanons problem by virtue of their de facto support of HZB and is not immune from a defense against HZB.
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#455
07-28-2006, 08:26 PM
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Re: Israel\'s Attack on Lebanon and Hezbollah
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BCVP, Your question is valid, in bringing up the proportionality of response to that of injury inflicted. But it is equally valid to consider the degree to which such a populace is logistically supporting such fighters. [/ QUOTE ] I won't disagree with that. According to the Salon article (and if others have contradicting evidence, I'm all ears), Hezbollah fighters stay away from civilians out of distrust. So whatever support the "populace" is giving Hezbollah probably isn't much. That brings up another question. Does the punishment fit the "crime" (support)?
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#456
07-28-2006, 08:28 PM
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Re: Israel\'s Attack on Lebanon and Hezbollah
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] "Say you have 1 Hezbollah fighter living in a town and 399 living outside of the town. Is Israel justified in killing 100 civilians to get to that 1 fighter? " If hes firing missiles from his prayer rug, absolutely. [/ QUOTE ] Do you believe there should be any limit at all to the number of civilian casualties? For example, would Israel be justified in nuking Lebanon flat? Your response suggest that they would. [/ QUOTE ] lets leave nuking out of it, since that brings in ancillary issues. MOABng Lebanon flat? If that is the minimal force necessary to defeat HZB, yes. It became Lebanons problem by virtue of their de facto support of HZB and is not immune from a defense against HZB. [/ QUOTE ] Let me make sure I understand what you mean. You would be perfectly fine with killing every last man, woman, and child in Lebanon if it would stop Hezbollah?
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#457
07-28-2006, 08:31 PM
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Re: Israel\'s Attack on Lebanon and Hezbollah
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[ QUOTE ] BCVP, Your question is valid, in bringing up the proportionality of response to that of injury inflicted. But it is equally valid to consider the degree to which such a populace is logistically supporting such fighters. [/ QUOTE ] I won't disagree with that. According to the Salon article (and if others have contradicting evidence, I'm all ears), Hezbollah fighters stay away from civilians out of distrust. So whatever support the "populace" is giving Hezbollah probably isn't much. That brings up another question. Does the punishment fit the "crime" (support)? [/ QUOTE ] Why do you accept a single Salon article that provides no factual support for its claim over what is generally acknowledged and as far as I know is uncontested by anyone including HZB itself?
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#458
07-28-2006, 08:32 PM
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Re: Israel\'s Attack on Lebanon and Hezbollah
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] "Say you have 1 Hezbollah fighter living in a town and 399 living outside of the town. Is Israel justified in killing 100 civilians to get to that 1 fighter? " If hes firing missiles from his prayer rug, absolutely. [/ QUOTE ] Do you believe there should be any limit at all to the number of civilian casualties? For example, would Israel be justified in nuking Lebanon flat? Your response suggest that they would. [/ QUOTE ] lets leave nuking out of it, since that brings in ancillary issues. MOABng Lebanon flat? If that is the minimal force necessary to defeat HZB, yes. It became Lebanons problem by virtue of their de facto support of HZB and is not immune from a defense against HZB. [/ QUOTE ] Let me make sure I understand what you mean. You would be perfectly fine with killing every last man, woman, and child in Lebanon if it would stop Hezbollah? [/ QUOTE ] If that is the minimal force necessary to stop them yes. Just as we were willing to destroy every major city in Germany or Japan to defeat them.
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#459
07-28-2006, 08:50 PM
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Re: Israel\'s Attack on Lebanon and Hezbollah
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] BCVP, Your question is valid, in bringing up the proportionality of response to that of injury inflicted. But it is equally valid to consider the degree to which such a populace is logistically supporting such fighters. [/ QUOTE ] I won't disagree with that. According to the Salon article (and if others have contradicting evidence, I'm all ears), Hezbollah fighters stay away from civilians out of distrust. So whatever support the "populace" is giving Hezbollah probably isn't much. That brings up another question. Does the punishment fit the "crime" (support)? [/ QUOTE ] Why do you accept a single Salon article that provides no factual support for its claim over what is generally acknowledged and as far as I know is uncontested by anyone including HZB itself? [/ QUOTE ]
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#460
07-28-2006, 08:55 PM
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Re: Israel\'s Attack on Lebanon and Hezbollah
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] "Say you have 1 Hezbollah fighter living in a town and 399 living outside of the town. Is Israel justified in killing 100 civilians to get to that 1 fighter? " If hes firing missiles from his prayer rug, absolutely. [/ QUOTE ] Do you believe there should be any limit at all to the number of civilian casualties? For example, would Israel be justified in nuking Lebanon flat? Your response suggest that they would. [/ QUOTE ] lets leave nuking out of it, since that brings in ancillary issues. MOABng Lebanon flat? If that is the minimal force necessary to defeat HZB, yes. It became Lebanons problem by virtue of their de facto support of HZB and is not immune from a defense against HZB. [/ QUOTE ] Let me make sure I understand what you mean. You would be perfectly fine with killing every last man, woman, and child in Lebanon if it would stop Hezbollah? [/ QUOTE ] If that is the minimal force necessary to stop them yes. Just as we were willing to destroy every major city in Germany or Japan to defeat them. [/ QUOTE ] That mentality seems sociopathic to me. I don't think there's any reason to continue arguing.
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