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#441
08-08-2006, 05:54 PM
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Re: Rizen Hand Clarification from P5\'s
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It seems that Gold's call range is a little bit higher than 5% [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] When he only has to call 1.3M, it should be. Calling with that 87o, showing it, and winning the hand is going to make others reluctant to push against him. 
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#442
08-08-2006, 05:55 PM
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Re: Jamie Gold Info
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Give them a break guys, there are like 3 whole tables going on, have you ever tried to actually pay attention to 3 tables at once, it's mass confusion and hysteria! [/ QUOTE ] No, you really should give them a break. From what some others have posted in blogs, even with their supperior access, it isn't like they get to sit at the tables, and counting the stacks can't be that easy. Not all bets are delcared outloud. So, yeah, I wish it was better, but aren't we glad we have it at all? I am so weary of the CP bashing ... get over it already. NCAces [/ QUOTE ] That they're clearly not proofing what they post, or have any kind of quality control, all while being the official online voice of the WSOP, is pretty sad. [/ QUOTE ] I do agree with that ... you wonder if they couldn't have some type of a computer program that let's them enter the hole cards, the action, the flop, turn and river by clicking, and it kicks out the text that they can then fill in with commentary. Some of the hand converters do more than that, so it isn't like that would be too difficult to design. Maybe with their proceeds from this year they can look into it ... especially once they get down to a few tables left at each event. NCAces
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#444
08-08-2006, 05:55 PM
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Re: Jamie Gold Info
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Someone owes Prahlad or Eric Molina an apology, unless Gold such an enormous [carebear] that two different players were moved to throw their all-in buttons at him. [/ QUOTE ] Well, according to his college buddy, he just may be that... This all gets my hopes up a lot for some crazy national TV monkey tilt.
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#445
08-08-2006, 05:56 PM
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Re: Jamie Gold Info
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Gold all in PF with 87...oh yeah, he's only playing premium hands... [/ QUOTE ] That's what I've been saying, if you're not going to play back at the guy, why even sit at the table with him? Or just AI pf each hand, either way.
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#446
08-08-2006, 05:57 PM
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Re: Jamie Gold Info
Gold calls Prahlad's AI with 87o - very close to the same odds he was getting on Rizen's push.
No one is saying Rizen is a donk who overvalued ace-rag - he merely got impatient and chose a spot which was very, very marginal, when he could have certainly waited for a better spot.
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#448
08-08-2006, 05:59 PM
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Re: Jamie Gold Info
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Wow, i'm sad to say it was a terrible play by Rizen. Why? Why? Why risk over 2 million to win $600,000 against the chip leader? With ace-rag? [/ QUOTE ] Holy Jesus Balls. I can't believe all the results-oriented BS that has gone on on this site since Rizen busted. I mean, if it was me that did it, I can understand, because who am I. But Rizen has proven himself. Gold just had a hand. I guarantee if the update was: Lynch wins big pot vs Gold Eric 'Rizen' Lynch limps in. Jaime Gold raises to $500,000. Lynch moves allin for $2 million total. Gold thinks and folds, and Rizen has added a sizable chunk to his stack. Then there would have been 50,000 posts of "pwned" and "bout time someone stood up to Gold." I guarantee the move was +cev, and certainly good for Gold to know Rizen couldn't be pushed around. Unfortunately, Gold had a hand, and somehow did what I can never do and beat ace-undercard with a pocket pair. [/ QUOTE ] Right or wrong, your argument is terrible. [/ QUOTE ] How so? Are the people criticizing the play being results oriented or not? Rizen clearly is not some random "oooo an ace!" donk off the street, right? He had reason to believe it would work, right? It didn't. I'm happy to see some ranges and stove #s if you wanna argue the strategy of it. But you tell me if Rizen picked up 25% of his stack by limp-RR'ing Gold, what the reaction would have been? [/ QUOTE ] My point is, is that in your example, we don't know what hand Rizen has, so we therefore can only assume he made a good play (even if it was a 23o he did it with). It's a different story when we see what cards he did it with. [/ QUOTE ] Well, OK, but that's less relevant to me, since the cards in Rizen's hand really are secondary to the position, timing, and ranges for Gold to raise and range for Gold to call, and how wide the disparity is, which is IMO the most important factor. Would it have been a good play with 88? AK? I don't think the fact that he had A6 matters that much. And also, I don't think the response would have been an iota different in my example if at the end had been "Lynch tossed his cards toward the muck, but they landed face up, revealing the Aspade and the 6heart" It still all would have been "yeah, he knows he can't cal without a big hand, and unless he has AA, he's no worse than 30-70. nh Rizen"
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#449
08-08-2006, 05:59 PM
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Re: Jamie Gold Info
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No one is saying Rizen is a donk who overvalued ace-rag - he merely got impatient and chose a spot which was very, very marginal, when he could have certainly waited for a better spot. [/ QUOTE ] Well said.
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#450
08-08-2006, 05:59 PM
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Re: WSOP Day 7 Main Event Thread
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Here's some more odds to win from bluesq.com, if you want to bet "each way", (finish in the top 3), the odds would be N/4 instead of N/1: Jamie Gold 5/1 Erik Friberg 8/1 David Einhorn 10/1 Rhett Butler 11/1 Allen Cunningham 11/1 [/ QUOTE ] Good odds on Allen, eh?
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