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[microbet]

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People are much more likely to call your river bet with 2nd/3rd pair (after you check the turn) than they are to call your turn bet with the same hand.

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yeah, i use the line you love when i want to value bet my weak top pair, good 2nd pair, whatever, depending on opponent. but maybe this is just something fundamentally different at .25/.5, .5/1 and anything higher?

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Also, sometimes you are just going to be giving up on the turn, but on the river you have a pretty good feeling villian has nothing. This is often a good time to bet when you have less than nothing. Like, you have 5 high or something. The river bet is less likely to fold off 2nd pair than a turn bet would have been, but you still fold out hands that beat nothing.

[Josem]

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People are much more likely to call your river bet with 2nd/3rd pair (after you check the turn) than they are to call your turn bet with the same hand.

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yeah, i use the line you love when i want to value bet my weak top pair, good 2nd pair, whatever, depending on opponent. but maybe this is just something fundamentally different at .25/.5, .5/1 and anything higher?

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I think this is a key point.

To me, my opponent's play is idiotic. Perhaps I'm being deluded by a small sample size, but I genuinely can't recall one player calling my river bet after check/calling flop, checking turn and checking river.


I <u>assume</u> that players get better as I move up and this stops being a huge source of profit for me.



That said, I'm enjoying how my NL 6-max adventure is starting. mid-20s VPIP, high teens PFR, and it seems fairly smooth so far.

It has also highlighted to me that a huge chunk of profit and loss comes from a small number of hands (nut flush v second nut flush; trips v overpair; etc.).

My other early observation is that re-raising preflop and on the flop is very rare at $100NL and below.

[Pasterbator]

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People are much more likely to call your river bet with 2nd/3rd pair (after you check the turn) than they are to call your turn bet with the same hand.

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yeah, i use the line you love when i want to value bet my weak top pair, good 2nd pair, whatever, depending on opponent. but maybe this is just something fundamentally different at .25/.5, .5/1 and anything higher?

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At the much lower levels, you'll probably just be called down by 2nd pair no matter what you do.

But against semi competent players, checking the turn behind with a weak TP or good 2nd pair, and following it up by vbetting the river is sooo sexy.

[Pasterbator]

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People are much more likely to call your river bet with 2nd/3rd pair (after you check the turn) than they are to call your turn bet with the same hand.

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yeah, i use the line you love when i want to value bet my weak top pair, good 2nd pair, whatever, depending on opponent. but maybe this is just something fundamentally different at .25/.5, .5/1 and anything higher?

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Also, sometimes you are just going to be giving up on the turn, but on the river you have a pretty good feeling villian has nothing. This is often a good time to bet when you have less than nothing. Like, you have 5 high or something. The river bet is less likely to fold off 2nd pair than a turn bet would have been, but you still fold out hands that beat nothing.

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yea, thats fine.

[DevinLake]

I seem to get called pretty light when I take bet-check-bet lines.

[Eagles]

cit, Paster

Good posts I pretty much agree with everything you said, I've have the same problems and although I have gotten better at controlling it it still happens.

Josem/Aujoz

Bet the turn second barelling looks a lot stronger then bet check bet. In fact whenever I take the bet check bet line I get called.


Random note in MTTs today I have prob played about a dozen and have busted or lost a big pot with AA in about 6 of them and yes I played them all fine trust me.

[Inyaface]

Suzzer,
If your really just running as bad as you say you are, you have nothing to worry about. Your earn rate is still the same and you will make money. That being said I highly doubt your playing 100% and with the small skill difference between a break even and winning player you could be playing break even poker if your game is even a little off.

[microbet]

Another thing in cash is to really watch your opponents. I had a couple of players in one game the other night who had fairly similar loose passive stats and played somewhat similarly preflop, but postflop they were almost exactly the opposite.

On HUD, even looking at a lot of stats they looked the same, but one guy was betting whenever he had a hand and never bluffing or semi-bluffing and the other guy slowplayed everything, but bluffed fairly often.

[jgunnip]

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suzzer have you read the thread Jman made about the fallacy of running bad?

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The Fallacy of Running Bad

[Theo_Brixton]

Welp Im quitting poker guys, good luck. One less multi tabler at your full tilt SNGs. I guess I'm not hard enough to hand like 1000 game pockets of getting raped mercilessly no matter how good u ever play.