STTF SNG->cash thread

[terrellk11]

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I would stick it in now, as he will call with K or heart, or possibly even worse, also if the heart misses and all he had was a draw you wont get his money unless you get it in on the turn.
and thus, just stick it in now

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+1

[terrellk11]

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Next significant hand. This is at same table.

I have 220 behind me. 2 limpers, I raise Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] to 18 from CO. Button calls, villain from hand 1 calls, other limper folds.

<font color="red"> Pot: </font> <font color="blue">$54 </font>
Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

Villain from hand 1 checks. He has me covered. I usually bet here. My reasons for checking is because I know that 1st villain is going to call any c-bet on this paired board. I also have not played a hand yet with the button (whom I have covered). Button bets out $26 (1/2 pot). Villain 1 calls without even thinking.

I feel like I potentially have the best hand still. It's a paired board, and the table style is super lag. I might have mis-played not c-betting when I was checked to. It's $26 to see a pot of $106.

How many of you are firing out when they are second to act on the flop here? How often are you betting/checking here in this type of context/situation?

What is the plan up to this point? For rest of hand if we do call?

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With two opponents and the situation as described, your three options on this flop are to (1) continuation bet 2/3 the pot; (2) check/fold; or (3) check/raise.

The preflop raise is you announcing you're in control of this hand. You get two callers and a reasonable flop (many hands you're raising with preflop have a King), so bet the flop and continue your control of the hand. The reasons you gave for checking (Villain 1 will call any c-bet and you don't know anything about Villain 2) are actually reasons to bet. As you've described him, Villain 1 will call with plenty of hands you have beaten so you're betting for value with respect to him. You know nothing about Villain 2 and this is a good chance to get some information - bet into him and see how he reacts. Don't check into him and cede control of the hand.

Once you've checked, just calling the bet is not really an option. You're now out of position against the new aggressor with a hand that may or may not be best now and even if it is best you're in a reverse implied odds situation where a number of turn/river cards can take you out (flush draws, aces) and only two improve your hand.

I guess I kinda rambled here, but the point remains the same.

[terrellk11]

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Hand 3:

I am at a new table. Table is less lag and more straight forward poker. I have 325 behind me at this point.

PF: 2 limpers, 1 raise to 18. 1 caller. I have K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] in CO. I decide to flat call. SB calls, folded around. 4 to the flop, I have position and have everyone covered.

<font color="red"> Pot: </font> <font color="blue">$76 </font>

Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

Initial raiser bets $35. 2 folds to me. I do not put him on a 9 here. He could have an overpair, or possibly a pocket pair, maybe KJs or AJs. Maybe two overs? Its really hard to put people at 1/2 at foxwoods on hand ranges im finding.

I decide to raise to $100. I know villain is a thinking player, and has shown from other confrontations he is capable of making folds to big re-raises. I obviously have outs if he flat calls my raise.

How would you approach this situation?

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1. I hate the preflop call here. You've got two early position limpers (and people at the Foxwoods 1/2 tables LOOOVVVVEEE to limp-reraise), a raise to 9x, and three people yet to act. KQs looks pretty but I'm not playing it in this situation.

2. While the pair on board isn't great, the flop is about the best you could have asked for. Flop is fine as played.

[Jay Riall]

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Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.50/$1 Blinds - 4 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $99.00
BB: $103.60
UTG: $179.30
Hero (BTN): $119.15

Preflop: Hero is dealt Q A (4 Players)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $4.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $12.00</font>, 2 folds, UTG calls $8.00

Flop: ($25.50) A J 2 (2 Players)
UTG checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $18.00</font>, <font color="red">UTG raises all-in to $167.30</font>, Hero ?

i just sat down at beginning of session

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Checking behind is way better than bet/fold here.

[microbet]

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Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.50/$1 Blinds - 4 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $99.00
BB: $103.60
UTG: $179.30
Hero (BTN): $119.15

Preflop: Hero is dealt Q A (4 Players)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $4.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $12.00</font>, 2 folds, UTG calls $8.00

Flop: ($25.50) A J 2 (2 Players)
UTG checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $18.00</font>, <font color="red">UTG raises all-in to $167.30</font>, Hero ?

i just sat down at beginning of session

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Checking behind is way better than bet/fold here.

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dl,

Sometimes bet, sometimes check, betting more than checking. Lots of different reasons for either play depending on your history that session and the specific opponent.

cw,

pokerstove. There's a good chance he has diamonds. You still can't call unless this guy is crazy and might have nothing.

[terrellk11]

Villain here is 13.5/8/3 over 5k hands and pulls in a profit at the rate of 12ptbb/100. However, I have played very few hands against him and the information comes from datamining.

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $2/$4 Blinds - 9 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $557.80
BB: $400.00
UTG: $516.90
Hero (UTG+1): $753.50
MP1: $396.65
MP2: $156.00
MP3: $530.80
CO: $1,094.40
BTN: $470.70

Preflop: Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (9 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $14.00</font>, 3 folds, CO calls $14.00, BTN calls $14.00, 2 folds

Flop: ($48) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $32.00</font>, <font color="red">CO raises to $92.00</font>, BTN folds, Hero calls $60.00

Turn: ($232) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">CO bets $128.00</font>, Hero folds
Uncalled bet of $128.00 returned to CO

Pot Size: $232.00 ($3 Rake)

[BHokie1]

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Hand 3:

I am at a new table. Table is less lag and more straight forward poker. I have 325 behind me at this point.

PF: 2 limpers, 1 raise to 18. 1 caller. I have K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] in CO. I decide to flat call. SB calls, folded around. 4 to the flop, I have position and have everyone covered.

<font color="red"> Pot: </font> <font color="blue">$76 </font>

Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

Initial raiser bets $35. 2 folds to me. I do not put him on a 9 here. He could have an overpair, or possibly a pocket pair, maybe KJs or AJs. Maybe two overs? Its really hard to put people at 1/2 at foxwoods on hand ranges im finding.

I decide to raise to $100. I know villain is a thinking player, and has shown from other confrontations he is capable of making folds to big re-raises. I obviously have outs if he flat calls my raise.

How would you approach this situation?

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I like the re-raise on the flop, and I'm calling if he pushes.

If he calls turn the turn could be interesting.

[Diamond Lie]

You definetly have to fold the turn in that AA hand, because theres a very unlikely chance hes betting the turn with a worse hand here, based on the statistics you provide.

Its hard to say more since you have a limited read

I think you have to call the flop raise though and re-evaluate on the turn accordingly. Definetly good c/f on turn

[GtrHtr]

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if this guy is only putting money in when he has a hand, then your unlikely to get 2 streets of value here, so checking the turn with the intention of calling a river bet if you miss (obv raising/betting if you boat) is a good idea. also, if he checks blank river id value bet

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very nice

[GtrHtr]

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Villain here is 13.5/8/3 over 5k hands and pulls in a profit at the rate of 12ptbb/100. However, I have played very few hands against him and the information comes from datamining.

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I'd like to know the sn.

nh, although you could rr the flop with little worry. I would 4 bet the flop most of the time, but you obv saved money in this hand.