New Fight Question

[manub]

Seriously, some people need to watch the old UFCs, where all kinds of martial arts experts are schooled by ONE grappler (Gracie) who didn't even cross-train. That would be a rude awakening for all the asian martial arts fans.

Not to be a fanboy myself, but I really don't see how Fedor Emilianenko could not be the favourite over anyone else on Earth in a fight with no rules, no weapons, in a enclosed space. I certainly wouldn't fight him. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[southerndog]

The UFC and the boxer are the ones who actually get tested regularly.

[silvershade]

Stand up martial artists dont do well because they dont get to strike and their moves dont end fights quickly, I specifically am not speaking of that style of martial arts but the less well known asian arts in the softer schools. Soft forms concentrate on ending encounters quickly either by incapacitating or disabling an opponent, usually without serious injury, this is why they are more effective than hard forms because they end encounters fast. If you are observant you'll notice that Gracie did well precisely because he concentrated on fight ending moves such as locks. The best in the world can probably out technique any MMA grappler.

I suspect an average MMA fighter can take down an average martial artist all day long but we are speaking best here not average. For the record you clearly are a fanboy [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img].

[John Kilduff]

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I get the impression that BJJ chokes are not essentially different than sport judo chokes.

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They are basically the same moves, you're right, with some minor technical differences in how the arms are positioned. That doesn't make them less deadly though.

Overall, I think you're looking at this the wrong way. You're saying that Muay Thai is closer to a deadly fight because of how often bones are broken. In Jiu Jitsu and other submission wrestling competitions, there would be a lot of broken bones if the fight wasn't stopped in time. I'm pretty sure that if Muay Thai fighters knew the incoming kick was going to break their leg and they had a chance to freeze time and stop the fight, they would! Muay Thai isn't more dangerous or deadly in a real situation. It just seems more dangerous because fighters can't avoid having their limbs broken in sporting events.

If you watch the UFC, there's this one fight between Tim Sylvia and Franck Mir where Mir breaks Sylvia's arm like a twig with an armbar (Sylvia refused to tap out and even wanted to keep fighting). Thank god we have tapouts in submission fighting, or that is how it would turn out every time...

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I see your point and agree that chokes are *potentially* more deadly. I'm looking at it from the point of which cointest *as it is played* is more dangerous, rules included. That's why I say Mauy Thai more like real fighting, because it actually IS real fighting. It hurts more in the real world and will hurt you moree in the real world so you are risking your body more in the real world in Muay Thai than in UFC.

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have you ever seen a mt match? all the techniques in mt are legal in mma. in mt, if somebody gets a bone broken, they drop to a knee and get counted out. you are no more likely to get a bone broken in mt than mma. you are showing a huge lack of knowledge of mt. if somebody catches a knee in the rib and their rib breaks, they either tough it out, or fall down and get counted out, just like in boxing. if they get their shin broken, the fight is stopped, same as in mma. boxing and mt are more dangerous than mma, only because of the gloves allowing for more continuous blunt force trama to the head. this bone breaking nonsense is retarded.

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People get bones broken more in Asia in unprotected Muay Thai than they do in UFC. For one thing, with all the grappling in UFC there is less emphasis on using knees and elbows. Also, people get punched more in boxing than they get punched in UFC. UFC is not the roughest sport, probably because so much grappling takes place.

[punter11235]

Imo :

UFC Champion >> boxer = karate >>>>>>>>>>>>&g t;>>>>>>>>> seal == streetfigther

I cant comprehend how people who do many diffrent things in their life and only fight/train occasionally (seals, streetfigthers) can have the slightest chance against people who have all their life scheduled with training and actual fights AND they are the best in the world in what they are doing.
Seals and streetfigthers are completely diffrent league imo like comparing men to women in athletic sports...

Strangely if we ask what chances the seal have in other discipline than fighting like for example sprinting vs the best sprinters in the world nobody would argue that the seal has no chance at all yet they are trained in that area too. When we talk about fighting its the very same situation. UFC/Boxer/Karate guys fight for living , seals only have fighting as one of their many activities.

[roblin]

lol at all of you underestimating the streetfighters. the best streetfighter in the world obviously is well trained in various martial arts and is extremly fit. in a no-rules/no-protection-situation he has the most experience and relevant training.

"how can he possibly pass a boxers guard?" kick him in the nuts.
"the ufc will take him down and submit him" on the ground he gets his eyes poked, a thumb up his ass and his testicles twisted.


a guy like young imi lichtenfeld, geoff thompson, marc young, or someone experienced real life fighter who dont like being famous would kick the nuts out of all the non-real-life-fighters.

[StregaChess]

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First you claimed if the opponent is not unconscious after three strikes then you have a problem with your power.

Now you claim boxer's can't be used as a counterexample because they wear gloves.

So you're claiming if boxers didn't wear gloves, all fights would either be over after 3 punches, or all boxers have a problem with their power? Interesting, I wonder which one it is...

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No I'm refuting the claim that gloves have no effect on punching power. Someone stated that and its false, may I introduce you to blunt point trauma?

You can use boxers as a counter if you like and yes some of them have issues with power. A better arguement would have been to point out that a boxer is on his feet and has an advantage of leverage where a fighter hovering over someone on the floor can only use his arms to and can not generate the same amount of force. However you'd need to understand something about fighting and tossed that "opening" out there to see if anyone had a clue. Oh well...I think few of the people here on this UFC bandwagon understand jack.

[Dementia]

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Not to be a fanboy myself, but I really don't see how Fedor Emilianenko could not be the favourite over anyone else on Earth in a fight with no rules, no weapons, in a enclosed space. I certainly wouldn't fight him. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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You really believe that nobody else in the entire world, beyond these few categories given in the OP, would be favored to beat Fedor in a fight to the death?

I am really surprised at the people undermining some of the military, sure there have been realistic points made illustrating that a SEAL probably wouldn't be the right man to win the deathmatch, but there are more hardcore members of the military than SEALs.

There has been a lot of laughter at the notion that no military training information is unavailable to the public, but that demonstrates a bit of naiveté. There are bonafide killing machines working for us above the level of ground soldiers, it is not a conspiracy theory, it is very real. There are men who work for the military who have killed over and over again with their barehands, breaking peoples wind pipes, gauging peoples eyes out, breaking their limbs with a quick motion, you show me where Fedor has done any of this. Being a UFC wrecking machine doesn't even begin to compare to the experience just listed, that unfortunately, some people on this planet have.

Fedors big and bad, sure.. but believe it, there are people much colder and more fierce than him, who have proven it, just not to the likes of me and you on our television sets or in an arena.

[JasonK]

So they've proven it, just that nobody besides themselves have ever actually seen the proof?

[Dementia]

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So they've proven it, just that nobody besides themselves have ever actually seen the proof?

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And those who employ them for specific jobs, obviously. But that isn't information that would be made public, it isn't a sport or spectacle. Do you believe that there aren't people with that kind of experience working for the military, or are you leaning toward it being a myth since we don't know them personally?