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[ScottyP431]

Here is a PM I sent brian he told me to post

Brian,

[21:50] Brian: i go for the pants
[21:50] Brian: "no i really cant"
[21:50] Brian: so im like well
[21:50] Brian: im hungry
[21:50] Brian: and she already said she couldnt join me for dinner
[21:51] Brian: so shes like , yeah i 'll let you get some food
[21:51] Brian: i say, "ok you first"

1. I totally thought this was you saying (in clever subtext... ok subtext probably not the right term, euphamism?) you would eat her out and her agreeing, and then you saying "you first" as in "blow me first". It could be just because I havent' slept in forever.

2. Movies to watch when going for bang bang bang- The number 1 in my experience is without a doubt basic instinct. I could expound upon this in great depth but the cliffs notes are
-very explicitly sexual/but not porn
-the sex scenes all involve some element of risk, surrender, excitement etc.

Actually, I'm gonna cut that explanation short, try it out or take it on faith, its pure gold.

A more important point is that, I think you need to build more sexual tension in these situations. It seems like you have a somewhat formulaic approach
-put movie in
-watch it
-afterwards make out (or at some point transition from mild kino to full on kissing/groping/going for gold)

And dont get me wrong, that approach seems to be doing quite well for you. But in the spirit of going one step further, let me give you some ideas.

1. Sexual tension is created by barriers- He was a prince, and she a simple chambermaid... she was a wealthy landowner, and he just a slave... One was a capulet, one a montague- blah blah blah, you get the idea. Cheesy romance novels are full of this kind of stuff (not that i read them...) and women eat it up. Putting a barrier between 2 people getting it on makes them anticipate it and finally rejoice when they overcome that barrier together. Try using whatever setting you are in to create artificial barriers and boost sexual tension before letting her suck your tongue. Examples: (these aren't all great examples, but again, no sleep)

A. Put your arm around her and pull her close, wait a few minutes, then move your arm and lean forward so that you are still very close to her but not being as affectionate and say "I love this part" or some such thing. She was enjoying a little cuddle time, but now there is a barrier to that. David D calls it 2 steps forward 1 step back, mystery calls it a freeze out, the general principle is the same. She is feeling comfort with your touch, then you take it away and she feels awkward, so when you give it back she is relieved. So after you have enjoyed your 'favorite part' of the movie, put your arm back around her but turn her so her back is against you and she is leaning back into you while you hold her hand in her lap. You have just smoothly escalated.

B. A variant, if you have already kissed/are confident she is receptive, slowly kinda rub the side of her face with your nose eskimo style while she is looking straight ahead at the screen and your arm is around her( this sounds so gay typing it... all i can say is it works), she will turn slowly to face you and kiss you. Make sure after like 5 seconds you stop the kiss and say something like " I'm trying so hard to be good" or "don't be greedy" and then go back to watching the movie. I can't take sole credit for this. This girl julia did it to me in like 10th grade and it drove me crazy.

I'm unsure if any of this is making much sense. Basically, the idea is you want to be teasing her through the whole movie. If she lasts 2 hours of this, she will maul you after the movie ends, but odds are she wont be able to wait that long.

One thing about this is I think it actually works better on a couch. Watching a movie in bed the girls radar is already on, she is expecting you to try and ravage her. If you are watching on a bed I would try and set the frame of she is seducing you. For example, kind of lean closer to her, and when she leans close to you playfully push her away and make some comment about her being to aggressive or something, or say a girl line like "god, those hands never stop" but in a playful way so that she knows you are joking.

I feel like this isn't making a lot of sense, so I'll end that there.

One last thing about LMR- One thing you could try is what my friend calls the "Bush Doctrine" which is basically, you pretend to get LMR before she does (a pre-emptive strike). So like, you start making out for a minute or two, start moving your hand like you are gonna grope one of her jibbly bits, and then you get an attack of LMR and be like "I can't believe we are doing this, its going so fast". Pause for a second , she will probably agree, kinda start up again , then stop and be like "I just feel like we have a connection" or "it just feels right" or blah blah blah. So basically, you have the LMR attack, and then you tell yourself what somepeople would tell the girl. The idea is to basically show her that your internal thought process is very similar to hers and she feels rapport. You could also say like "i'm not one of those kind of guys.. but something about you" blah blah blah.

That's not really my personal style, and I'm unsure if I could even say things like that to a mysplace meetup with a straight face, but it seems to work dynamite for him.

But i would say if you create enough sexual tension before hand you will have a lot less of this and alot more of girls forcing you to let them have their way with you.


***************** Re: Leave a message or not******

This back and forth sounds a lot like those threads where some dudes are like "Always pump aces before the flop, equity, ev etc" and then some tommy angelo dude is like "but blah blah blah style/vary play/be sophisticated" etc and it is never really resolved. My 2 cents are this:

Here are, in order, the best things to do
1. Leave a great message
2. Leave no message
3. Leave a bad message

What is a great message? I would say it contains 3 things
-don't say your name, use some inside joke to make her know who it is
-tease her, the best is if you can tease her about her vmail message, if not something generic
-change the frame to she is chasing you


So for example, lets say on friday I get Jill's number at Jack Rabbit Slims, where she bumped into me waiting for a table and I teased her about being a bully. A terrible message, and the one most guys would leave, would be like:

"Hey Jill, this is Steve, you might remember me from such meetings as Jack rabbit slims on friday, I was the guy you bumped into. Anyway, give me a call sometime and maybe we can go do something. Ok , bye"

A better message could be something like:
"Hey troublemaker,you're probably out pushing little kids on the playground and taking their candy. I wanted to compliment you on the way you came right up and started hitting on me the other night, that fake bump into someone move was great."

As for the ending, that part is pretty variable on how confident you are that she would call you back. Ifnot, say "I'll try you monday night". Oftentimes, you will then get a text message or something like "bizy monday, call tuesday" or something. If you are more sure she'd call back, say something like "I'm busy XXX, so give me a call tuesday evening".

I guess I'll close with some reasons I think leaving a good message is better than leaving no message
1. Not leaving a message displays a lack of confidence. It says "i dont think you would call me back" and makes it look like you are the kind of person who is to worried they will say the wrong thing/not willing to take a risk and leave a message
2. Attraction= comfort plus time. Time isn't just time spent with you, its time spent thinking about you. Not leaving a message when she doesnt know your number means she will not be thinking about you. The message will make her giggle, reminisce about your conversation, and think about the time you said you would call/she should call you.

3. Playing her games vs playing your games- I think this kind of thinking is like the sklansky hand rankings. When you are starting out, a rule like dont play her games is important and helpful, much like knowing you shouldnt raise KJ off under the gun. But once you develop more skill/comfort, the rules become much less important because you can have a situational read. Rules are important and matter untill they don't. And the goal should be to get to where they don't. You want to get to the point where even when you are playing her games, the frame is that you are in control of the situation. If a girls first impression is that she is really crazy/into games/full of herself, its hard to get her "playing your games" if you don't talk to her, so I'm unsure of how you are intending to transition from your current point to her jumping through your hoops.How many times are you gonna call back if she doesn't answer? 2? 3? I would just call once and leave a message like
"Hey princess, I'm sure you're out playing hard to get, I'll call you back thursday around 7, get your planner out and scribble off 'tease random loser' and put in 'wait for steves call'" click. You are trying to subcommunicate several things
1. You are onto her and wont be playing (you may or may not be playing if you want, but that is neither here nor there)
2. You are telling her what to do- guys never tell hot party girls what to do, so you differentiate yourself from the rabble
3. You've accused her of not answering the phone in an attempt to play hard to get. If shes playing hard to get it means she is interested and trying to hook you. So you are subtley conveying that she is chasing you instead of toying with you cause she likes attention. I guess this part is kind of in response to who said "hot chics can be selective, so play their game you rogue". Yes they can be selective, but they oftentimes don't pick the people who do whatever they want and play their games. They have tons of guys willing to do that, and if they do pick one it will be because something like he is incredibly good looking and that sets him apart from the pack. Maybe you have the luxury of being that good looking, lord knows I don't. So you need to stand out in some other way.
4. Princess- i literally cannot convey in words the power of sarcastically calling a girl who's a party chick princess. It is like some kind of kryptonite that just disables all their lame game playing. One thing though, if you do it in person they will throw a little tantrum, so if you immediately apologize and take it back you have accomplished nothing.

Ok this post is getting really long, but one more thing I wanted to add there. Being good with women is like being the Dog Whisperer. IF you don't watch this show, start. It's not about being a jerk or trying to control them or manipulate them, its just about being dominant. Watch cesar, he doesnt hit the dogs or punish them or anything, he just very calmly does not tolerate their crap, and if you do that long enough they become calm submissive. Women are exactly the same way. Don't be mean to them or anything, but if you playfully tease them and they throw a tantrum, dont get emotional by either being mad or being overly apologetic, just be calm and in control. It's not about power its about dominance. Not leaving a message is like, I really think its not a confident move. This analogy may sound absurd to people but really, think "what would cesar do". Even better, watch the way he talks to the owners. The whole "I rehabilitate dogs and train people" part is true. He'll be like "You are not a dog owner, you are treating the dog like a child" and the woman will be like " I don't think that's true blah blah blah", Cesar doesn't even argue with what they say, he just ignores sht they say that contradicts what he said and assumes they have already agreed with him and keeps going. Then shockingly he goes in there with the dog and in 2 minutes it is acting perfectly and the owner is like "oh my god, cesar is a genius, he was so right, i was treating it like a child blah blah blah". There was this one where a huge fireman dude was like, "no way you can fix this dog, ive researched it , i know everything, cant be done" and cesar , to his face, was like "I can do it" and just walked off. In the off camera interview part he was like really upbeat laughing about it and was like "john really put me to the challenge saying i couldnt do it... I love it when people do that". THats the frame you need, you LIKE it when women challenge you with games and crap because you know you will win. Think about it, if instead of playing phone games all these women where like "lets play heads up for sex" you would be like "great, i will crush you, lets play". You woul dbe supremely confident you would win. Thats the confidence you have when you play the game on your terms. Needless to say Cesar took the dog and had it fixed in 5 minutes and the guy was like "oh my god, amazing, blah blah blah" and his whole alpha personality vanished cause Cesar had just owned him.

Ok, im probably just gonna get a bunch of responses like "women arent dogs you misogynist" or "dog whisperer, thats retarded" but just observe any social interaction. The people in control (the ones who decide what restaurant to go to, what movie to see etc) are ALWAYS projecting calm, dominant energy. The people who go crazy and get emotional may occasionally get thier way, but A. no one respects them, and B. its only becasue the dominant ones agree.

So in regards to playing her games, what would Cesar do? He plays the dogs game when it SUITS HIM, and the game is played on his terms. If the dog wants to go for a walk, it can walk, but it has to be calm submissive. So if a girl is an attention whore who likes to play games, you can give her what she wants as long as its on your terms, and you do it when she is being calm and nice not overly emotional and domineering.

Ok, that was probably helpful to no one, but it was just a random thought i had while watching tv.

[EricW]

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Right now I'm sending this message out:

"When I meet a black dude, I immediately assume he's better than me at basketball - am I a racist?"

But my intent is not necessarily to get laid - I'm going to blog about the [censored] up responses from girls (and, I guess hopefully, get into some average pants). This should be hilarious.

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You know if you're going to do that, you might as well message this instead:

"When I meet a black dude, I immediately assume that he has a bigger dick than me. Am I racist?"

[Avatar of Wine]

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Right now I'm sending this message out:

"When I meet a black dude, I immediately assume he's better than me at basketball - am I a racist?"

But my intent is not necessarily to get laid - I'm going to blog about the [censored] up responses from girls (and, I guess hopefully, get into some average pants). This should be hilarious.

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You know if you're going to do that, you might as well message this instead:

"When I meet a black dude, I immediately assume that he has a bigger dick than me. Am I racist?"

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This is pretty funny, too, but it's kind of . . . blunt? Gauche? Etc?

[BEP]

This is an incredible post...

But I disagree with this "princess" thing. I think it's going to come off as awkward a huge percentage of the time.

[Peter Harris]

some good stuff in there scotty, nice contribution.

I got LMR once last year on my holiday, in new york, when i didn't know what it was. First it was "do you want to come back" - answer dang yeah.

get there and she's like "do you want the couch?" to which i say casually 'you mentioned your paisley bedsheets, I'd like to get close to those', damn right.

Get in there and get to work, we get through all the foreplay before she says "i'm not sure if we should do any more".

Given i didn't know LMR, i just responded "we've come this far, what have we got to lose?" and that worked the trick. In retrospect, there has to be better.

[SackUp]

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Right now I'm sending this message out:

"When I meet a black dude, I immediately assume he's better than me at basketball - am I a racist?"

But my intent is not necessarily to get laid - I'm going to blog about the [censored] up responses from girls (and, I guess hopefully, get into some average pants). This should be hilarious.

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You know if you're going to do that, you might as well message this instead:

"When I meet a black dude, I immediately assume that he has a bigger dick than me. Am I racist?"

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This is pretty funny, too, but it's kind of . . . blunt? Gauche? Etc?

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Both are retarded.

And a general rule of thumb - if you need to tell people something will be hilarious, it probably won't be.

[New001]

So, a few updates since I promised trip reports. Going over to one girl's house tonight, got a date with a second tomorrow, and a third on Tuesday. First one is very good looking (but also very pregnant... she really wants the penis and really wants, in her words, a "[censored] buddy." Should be sweet). Probably won't get any action tonight since she lives with family, but if we get privacy I think it's guaranteed. 18 years old too by the way.

Second date tomorrow is a cute girl from the area that I asked about in the phone-call question earlier. Haven't set up the details yet, but she said okay to coffee/tea after she gets off work. She's 20.

Third girl thinks I'm "cute as hell" and actually offered the date herself. We're going to some cafe she likes in the city, and it's pretty clear she wants the penis as well. A bit chubby but really open sexually and decently cute. 24 I think?

Got a couple of other interesting leads too. This'll be a fun week. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] Sorry for no pictures, don't want to risk trainwrecks [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] at least not yet, I need my fill first.

[Peter Harris]

this whole trainwreck thing, i mean, unless you've told them you post on OOT in 2+2, how you gonna get trainwrecked? for any of us guys to tell them or something would be uber-lame.

[New001]

I don't know, but after seeing what some of the threads around here turn into (not this one thankfully), I'm not going to risk it. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

[Peter Harris]

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I don't know, but after seeing what some of the threads around here turn into (not this one thankfully), I'm not going to risk it. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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fair do's. Give em one from me [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]