*******OFFICIAL Ravens vs Colts Thread******* - Page 40

chaseUdown · #**391** 01-13-2007, 11:04 PM

Sanders had 8 tackles today, I'm sure he had more than 1 against the Chiefs. However, you are correct he isn't the savior. They are doing a lot of things different up front and with the linebackers. I wish I knew exactly what, but it is amazing.

TheNoodleMan · #**392** 01-14-2007, 12:29 AM

What ever happened to that guy bad mouthing Dallas Clark last week? That was a hell of a catch to salt the game away on the last drive.

VarlosZ · #**393** 01-14-2007, 12:36 AM

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Despite having statistically awful regular season defenses, they haven't exactly cost the team games in the playoffs.

Points allowed by Colts defense in Postseason:

6 - 2006 Ravens (#12 in NFL)
8 - 2006 Chiefs (#15 in NFL)
21 - 2005 Steelers (#9 in NFL)
20 - 2004 Patriots (#4 in NFL)
24 - 2004 Broncos (#9 in NFL)
24 - 2003 Patriots (#12 in NFL)
31 - 2003 Chiefs (#1 in NFL)
10 - 2003 Broncos (#10 in NFL)
41 - 2002 Jets (#15 in NFL)
23 - 2000 Dolphins (#16 in NFL)
19 - 1999 Titans (#7 in NFL)

Aside from 2002, it's hard for me to put much blame on the Colts defense for not winning the Super Bowl.

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You're right, at least to a large extent. Two things, though. First, while the defense hasn't flat out cost the Colts playoff games by being so awful that the offense can't keep up, they certainly weren't winning any games for the Colts, either. Up until this year, they've generally put up average at best performances, so when the offense has an off day (which is bound to happen from time to time against playoff teams), there was never a chance of the Colts winning a defensive struggle.

Second, the defense has been so bad for so long, yet the Colts have made the playoffs seven of the past eight years. Is there any chance they make it more than once or twice in that span with an average QB instead of Manning? In order to succeed in the postseason, you first have to get there, and with that in mind Peyton Manning has contributed more to his team's playoff success than any player in the last decade (with the likely exception of Tom Brady).

Richard Tanner · #**394** 01-14-2007, 02:21 AM

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Brady fans: RIIIIIIIIINGS!!! lalalalala I CAN'T HERE YOU.

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No wonder your ass got [censored]. You suck at posting.

J

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Against quality such as this I barely have a chance.

Cody

Richard Tanner · #**395** 01-14-2007, 02:24 AM

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Despite having statistically awful regular season defenses, they haven't exactly cost the team games in the playoffs.

Points allowed by Colts defense in Postseason:

6 - 2006 Ravens (#12 in NFL)
8 - 2006 Chiefs (#15 in NFL)
21 - 2005 Steelers (#9 in NFL)
20 - 2004 Patriots (#4 in NFL)
24 - 2004 Broncos (#9 in NFL)
24 - 2003 Patriots (#12 in NFL)
31 - 2003 Chiefs (#1 in NFL)
10 - 2003 Broncos (#10 in NFL)
41 - 2002 Jets (#15 in NFL)
23 - 2000 Dolphins (#16 in NFL)
19 - 1999 Titans (#7 in NFL)

Aside from 2002, it's hard for me to put much blame on the Colts defense for not winning the Super Bowl.

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You're right, at least to a large extent. Two things, though. First, while the defense hasn't flat out cost the Colts playoff games by being so awful that the offense can't keep up, they certainly weren't winning any games for the Colts, either. Up until this year, they've generally put up average at best performances, so when the offense has an off day (which is bound to happen from time to time against playoff teams), there was never a chance of the Colts winning a defensive struggle.

Second, the defense has been so bad for so long, yet the Colts have made the playoffs seven of the past eight years. Is there any chance they make it more than once or twice in that span with an average QB instead of Manning? In order to succeed in the postseason, you first have to get there, and with that in mind Peyton Manning has contributed more to his team's playoff success than any player in the last decade (with the likely exception of Tom Brady).

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If you say the reg season is a sort of Pre-Post season, then yeah Manning has done a ton. However, it's not really fair to say that as it doesn't really apply. Manning hasn't dominated a game in the Post season as much as he does in the regular season. The idea that it's playoff jitters is silly as the Broncs and Cheifs games have been in the playoffs. If you say "well they aren't good teams" then we get the real reason, sometimes good teams make it tougher to win. Funny thing that.

Cody

VarlosZ · #**396** 01-14-2007, 02:43 AM

I agree.

Edge34 · #**397** 01-14-2007, 02:55 AM

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The Colts already beat down NE @ their place in prime time. Their D has played much better at home then on the road, so Maroney/Dillon will not be showing them anymore than the 140 yards they had in the first meeting. SD, well that is another beast.

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if the Pats end up beating SD on the road...then they can def beat Colts on the road

SD>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>&g t;>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>&g t;INDY

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While someone else already pointed out how absolutely idiotic this particular statement is, I feel the need to point it out as well. Indy went into Foxboro (the toughest place for any team to win, at least it was on Tagliabue's watch) and beat them this year. While this doesn't mean that they'll for sure beat NE if they get them, I'd say that's a little stronger than "SD > IND, so NE will have no problem".

BTW, despite my title, I'm fully willing to admit Peyton played a very mediocre game today. However, against the best defense in the league, and one that's almost as good as the one the Ravens rode to their SB title, let's be honest, that's to be expected. He made a lot of bad throws today into coverage, but that's the only throws he had a lot of the time. He's the best QB in the game, he can play a lot better, and I think he will next week. He's got to one of these years.

People can talk about breaks all they want, but that's football. The Pats caught a huge break against Oakland with the tuck rule, and had that not happened, there's a chance none of us would even care about Tom Brady, the OK 6th round QB from Michigan that got Bledsoe's job when he got hurt. Being in the right place at the right time can be "luck", and that's ok with me. The pick being whistled dead was a tough call, but that's the human error.

I'm really torn though - I can't bring myself to cheer for the Patriots, but I really don't want to have ANOTHER tough game against San Diego. I still think SD is the favorite to win it all, but I want the AFC title game in the RCA dome. I'll be watching very close tomorrow.

bobthehitman · #**398** 01-14-2007, 05:10 AM

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They are doing a lot of things different up front and with the linebackers. I wish I knew exactly what, but it is amazing.

[/ QUOTE ]Today they ran alot of run-stopping stunts with the dline. Freeney and Mathis were bullrushing and stunting inside which jammed up the middle and helped contain the running game and it worked very well against a power runner like J-Lew. They also are starting 2 MLBs in Rob Morris and Gary Brackett. Gilbert Gardner was starting at OLB but they wanted more beef so they put in Morris who started up until last year at MLB.

BTW as you can tell from my name Bob Sanders is my favorite player in Iowa history so I am very happy for the Colts right now. [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

Wondercall · #**399** 01-14-2007, 06:07 AM

Bob Sanders is the man. I like to call him lobster arms cause that tattoo haha.

Assani Fisher · #**400** 01-14-2007, 01:12 PM

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Despite having statistically awful regular season defenses, they haven't exactly cost the team games in the playoffs.

Points allowed by Colts defense in Postseason:

6 - 2006 Ravens (#12 in NFL)
8 - 2006 Chiefs (#15 in NFL)
21 - 2005 Steelers (#9 in NFL)
20 - 2004 Patriots (#4 in NFL)
24 - 2004 Broncos (#9 in NFL)
24 - 2003 Patriots (#12 in NFL)
31 - 2003 Chiefs (#1 in NFL)
10 - 2003 Broncos (#10 in NFL)
41 - 2002 Jets (#15 in NFL)
23 - 2000 Dolphins (#16 in NFL)
19 - 1999 Titans (#7 in NFL)

Aside from 2002, it's hard for me to put much blame on the Colts defense for not winning the Super Bowl.

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You're right, at least to a large extent. Two things, though. First, while the defense hasn't flat out cost the Colts playoff games by being so awful that the offense can't keep up, they certainly weren't winning any games for the Colts, either. Up until this year, they've generally put up average at best performances, so when the offense has an off day (which is bound to happen from time to time against playoff teams), there was never a chance of the Colts winning a defensive struggle.

Second, the defense has been so bad for so long, yet the Colts have made the playoffs seven of the past eight years. Is there any chance they make it more than once or twice in that span with an average QB instead of Manning? In order to succeed in the postseason, you first have to get there, and with that in mind Peyton Manning has contributed more to his team's playoff success than any player in the last decade (with the likely exception of Tom Brady).

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I think its possible. Their offensive weapons with Manning, Wayne, and before this year Edge would've made them a top 5 offense with an average QB imo. With Peyton they've probably been the best offense over that time span(don't feel like looking it up, but I'd be shocked if they weren't at least top 3).