Jackpots and dealer tipping etiquette question - Page 4

fishyak · #31 03-15-2006, 12:59 PM

Hand 1: Almost the easiest jackpot board you will ever see...

Suits irrelevant... flop is A4A. The jackpot door is open. Turn 4. Possible, but not very likely. River A!

Dealer SHOUTS: "Everyone SHUT UP." Then more quietly, I don't want anyone blowing the jackpot. We are down to 2 players. I state: "Just state your action, nothing more." Players: "Check." "Check" Player 1 AJ. Player 2 pocket 7's. Touchdown! Dealer's conduct could have been seen as abrasive, but he was only trying to protect a potential jackpot.

I had never really thought about it, but I guess the perfect jackpot board would be AAA22 for Commerce.

The second hand was more of a surprise. Flop was junk, but had a 5 in it. Turn added a 2nd 5 and now had 3 clubs. River put the first A on the board and the betting erupts between a young asian guy and a middle aged lady who later admitted she had lost 50k (OMG!) gambling last year.

The kid and the witch went back and forth 10 times, HU, no limit. I honestly thought is was the nut flush vs. full house with 2 stubborn people. Woman turns over pocket's 5's and kid turns over pocket AA that he had not raised PF. I am the first person to recognize this as a jackpot. No way for others to blow it.

For some karma, it turns out the kid was robbed at gunpoint the day before hitting the jackpot. While he had not been at the table that long, under those circumstances, it sounds like he was due some good karma.

AlienBoy · #32 03-15-2006, 01:33 PM

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Hand 1: Almost the easiest jackpot board you will ever see...

Suits irrelevant... flop is A4A. The jackpot door is open. Turn 4. Possible, but not very likely. River A!

Dealer SHOUTS: "Everyone SHUT UP." Then more quietly, I don't want anyone blowing the jackpot. We are down to 2 players. I state: "Just state your action, nothing more." Players: "Check." "Check" Player 1 AJ. Player 2 pocket 7's. Touchdown! Dealer's conduct could have been seen as abrasive, but he was only trying to protect a potential jackpot.

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Was that a JP? At the Bike, it has to be Aces full of TT or better... At Commerce is it Aces full of anything??

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I had never really thought about it, but I guess the perfect jackpot board would be AAA22 for Commerce.

The second hand was more of a surprise. Flop was junk, but had a 5 in it. Turn added a 2nd 5 and now had 3 clubs. River put the first A on the board and the betting erupts between a young asian guy and a middle aged lady who later admitted she had lost 50k (OMG!) gambling last year.

The kid and the witch went back and forth 10 times, HU, no limit. I honestly thought is was the nut flush vs. full house with 2 stubborn people. Woman turns over pocket's 5's and kid turns over pocket AA that he had not raised PF. I am the first person to recognize this as a jackpot. No way for others to blow it.

For some karma, it turns out the kid was robbed at gunpoint the day before hitting the jackpot. While he had not been at the table that long, under those circumstances, it sounds like he was due some good karma.

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Wow - you were table share in TWO jackpots??!!

Damn...

AB

BigAlChicago · #33 03-15-2006, 01:36 PM

I was lucky enough to get a small table share of one at the Trump in Gary (now Majestic Star II) about a month ago. The table share was about $260....The table captain, a Trump regular in his 60's who likes to refer to all of the younger players at the table as "his son", was urging everyone to not forget the dealer. No problem, but when I asked him how much was appropriate, he was clueless. I suggested about 2-3% and we all decided that we would toke the dealer $10 and throw $5 to the player who was away from the table on break, and thus did not qualify for a table share. (This guy had been seated at the table for a few hours at the time the JP hit, but seemed to be constantly gone from the table on break. If it had just been a pit stop for a leak, I would have been inclined to cut him in for closer to a fair share, but he would play an orbit, then disappear for what seemed like two, come back for one and disappear again.)

Anyway, the winner of the hand (and thus a quarter of the jackpot, like $1700 if memory serves) was in the two seat, I was in the one seat. He asked me how much he should tip. I told him $50 felt right...about 3%. So that is what he tossed the dealer. The winner of the jackpot ended up buying drinks for the table (no free alcohol at the Trump!) I don't think he was at the table for much of the conversations concerning tip levels, but he only tossed the dealer $25 as he was leaving. Oh well, I think he went on the cheap...less than 1% to the dealer, but c'est la guerre.

I think he was feeling generous towards the other players, because he was oblivious to the jackpot. At Trump, the "winning" hand has to be Aces full of tens or better losing. The JP winner and seat 2 were going at it on a board through the turn of AA44, suits unimportant. You could see the wheels turning in the heads' of the Trump vets at the table when the turn went 4 bets.

The river came Q. The two players went two or three bets on the river, with seat two tabling pocket fours. The JP winner was about to much his losing hands when several of us encouraged him to show. He had AQ and rivered the bad beat winning hand. However, without the encouragement, all would have been lost. I believe that is why he felt indebted to the table and bought the round.

In any event, I was thinking of posting at the time to find out what everyone thought the right tip should be. I am gratified to know that my instinct of about 3% seemed to be right on based on this thread.

One question -- Do you think there should be any difference if the dealers share their tokes (as is the case at Trump) or not?

BTW, I believe with the Majestic Star take over, the poker dealers' tokes will be pooled with the rest of the table game dealers.

_TKO_ · #34 03-15-2006, 01:39 PM

$1

fishyak · #35 03-15-2006, 02:48 PM

Big Al - yes I believe Commerce shares tips, but if you are a regular at a particular word gets around and I want to be on the good side of all the staff.

AlienBoy - yes this is a jackpot at Commerce. That is why the JP's are much smaller because ANY Ace's full will do. At the same time, JP's are paid out much more frequently as well.

Yep, two table shares within 28 hours. Friday night and Sat night sessions.

AlienBoy · #36 03-15-2006, 03:04 PM

I didn't think either commerce or the Bike shared tips as the dealers put them all in their tray, and not a toke box.

In LV, Poker dealers generally keep their own tips even if the other dealers (BJ/Craps/Etc) share the tokes.

AB

Don Olney · #37 03-15-2006, 04:28 PM

Give what you feel like--- no more no less-----
Some dealers I give a nice toke to -- some I toke nothing--
1 to 5% is plenty -- you are not there to make thier wages,,, they are there to serve you -- nover forget that---
What did they do out of the normal job desc. NOTHING -- they gave you cards. thats IT--------Dealers are a service provided by the casino---

bigfishead · #38 03-15-2006, 05:14 PM

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Give what you feel like--- no more no less-----
Some dealers I give a nice toke to -- some I toke nothing--
1 to 5% is plenty -- you are not there to make thier wages,,, they are there to serve you -- nover forget that---
What did they do out of the normal job desc. NOTHING -- they gave you cards. thats IT--------Dealers are a service provided by the casino---

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ahh...but without those tokes you got no dealers and then you cant beat the game. Dealers only get min wage and you know ya cant live off that. Dealers are supposed to be protecting the integrity of the game. Without them, there wont be any. Not saying it's right. Just saying thats the way it is.

tom10167 · #39 03-15-2006, 06:43 PM

I get half minimum wage.

Score.

runout_mick · #40 05-31-2006, 11:01 PM

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If I won 25k, I would probably tip around 750, but everyone's different.

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I hit a 25k jackpot a few weekends ago.

I had about $300 chips in play, and pushed them in for the tip. It seemed fair at the time, but I was in shock. In hindsight, a little more may have been in order, at least $500 or so I think.

I'll try to rectify this the next time I'm at Cascades.