Looking for fellow anarchocapitalists.

[BCPVP]

So is anarcho-capitalism not possible since any where it would be implemented at one time probably had a government?

You sound a lot like someone who believes in communism but dismisses the commonly practiced kinds as "not real communism".

[Borodog]

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So is anarcho-capitalism not possible since any where it would be implemented at one time probably had a government?

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Your logical analysis suffers as much as your analogies. I stated that the problems of Somalia are due to government, not its absence. I also pointed out that some of those problems are actually getting better, like the telecommunications industry, in the absence of a government. At no point did I make any statement as to the time frame that might be required for for a stable anarchocapitalist society to arise after a government had ceased to operate.

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You sound a lot like someone who believes in communism but dismisses the commonly practiced kinds as "not real communism".

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You sound a lot like someone who has little idea what they are talking about before they start typing. What anarchocapitalist authors have you read before forming your opinion that it is a "Utopian pipe dream?" Clearly you didn't pay much attention, because anarchocapitalism is non-Utopian.

[pvn]

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So is anarcho-capitalism not possible since any where it would be implemented at one time probably had a government?

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Not at all. The current situation in Somalia is closer to AC than has been seen recently, and the status there is not exactly rosy; however, one cannot simply use this as a disproof of AC out-of-hand, since the conditions that were set by the (failed) state severely hobbled *any* subsequent system, whether it be anarchist or statist.

Let's do an experiment with identical twins about to enter high school. We let one eat doughnuts all day and make him watch MTV and play video games. The other one goes to a rigorous prep school and then Harvard for four years. At the end of the four years, we'll see which one does better on a SAT-type test.

Oh, one other thing... we're going to to start by lobotomizing the one that goes to Harvard.

Now, when the lobotomized twin does worse, can we conclude that Harvard makes you dumber than playing video games?

[Rduke55]

What's anarchocapitalism?

[hmkpoker]

I consider myself kind of libertarian, if that's the same thing. Not sure on your terminology.

[BCPVP]

My point was will any problems that occur while AC is in effect always be attributed to the preceding government's actions or can there be problems that occur under AC?

I think one of the biggest problems I had with AC is that justice becomes a commodity to be bought and sold and those who can't afford whatever price justice would cost are dependent upon charity. And if charity can't provide it, I guess they're SOL under AC...

[Borodog]

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My point was will any problems that occur while AC is in effect always be attributed to the preceding government's actions or can there be problems that occur under AC?

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Of course problems will occur in an anarchocapitalist society. Society is made up of human beings, isn't it?

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I think one of the biggest problems I had with AC is that justice becomes a commodity to be bought and sold and those who can't afford whatever price justice would cost are dependent upon charity. And if charity can't provide it, I guess they're SOL under AC...

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I'm not sure if you've looked around lately, but justice is already a commodity to be bought and sold, and if you currently can't afford whatever price justice costs, you are dependent upon charity. And since that "charity" is usually provided by the very government which is exacting the price, you are usually SOL under government.

Justice like any other service is just that, a service. Monopoly service providers always provide poorer service and higher costs than providers of the same service in a competitive market. Viewing justice as some sort of magical process that can only be provided for by government, in order to justify government, is circular.

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What's anarchocapitalism?

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I'm not sure, but this is what an anarcho-syndicalist commune is

Arthur: Old woman!
Dennis: MAN!
Arthur: Man, sorry. What knight lives in that castle over there?
Dennis: I'm 37.
Arthur: What?
Dennis: I'm 37! I'm not old!
Arthur: Well, I can't just call you "man".
Dennis: You could say "Dennis".
Arthur: I didn't know you were called Dennis.
Dennis: Well you didn't bother to find out, did you?
Arthur: I did say I'm sorry about the "old woman", but from behind you looked...
Dennis: What I object to is you automatically treatin' me like an inferior.
Arthur: Well, I am king.
Dennis: Oh, king, eh - very nice. And how'd you get that, then? By exploiting the workers! By hanging on to outdated imperialist dogma which perpetuates the economic and social differences in our society. If there's ever going to be any progress...
Dennis' Mother: Dennis, Dennis! There's some lovely filth down here. Oh, how'd you do?
Arthur: How'd you do good lady? I am Arthur, king of the Britons. Whose castle is that?
Dennis' Mother: King of the who?
Arthur: The Britons.
Dennis' Mother: Who are the Britons?
Arthur: We all are. We are all Britons, and I am your king.
Dennis' Mother: I didn't know we had a king. I thought we were an autonomous collective.
Dennis: You're foolin' yourself. We're living in a dictatorship! A self-perpetuating autocracy in which the working class...
Dennis' Mother: Oh there you go bringing class into it again!
Dennis: But that's what it's all about! If only people would realise...
Arthur: Please, please good people. I am in haste. Who lives in that castle?
Dennis' Mother: No one lives there.
Arthur: Then who is your lord?
Dennis' Mother: We don't have a lord.
Arthur: What?!
Dennis: I told you. We're an anarcho-syndicalist commune. We take it in turns to act as sort of supreme executive officer for the week.
Arthur: Yes.
Dennis: But all the decisions of that officer have to be ratified at a special biweekly meeting...
Arthur: Yes, I see.
Dennis:...by a simple majority. In the case of purely internal affairs...
Arthur: Be quiet.
Dennis:...require two thirds majority. In the case of old ladys...
Arthur: Be quiet! I order you to be quiet!
Dennis' Mother: Order, eh? Who does he think he is?
Arthur: I am your king!
Dennis' Mother: Well, I didn't vote for you.
Arthur: You don't vote for kings.
Dennis' Mother: Well, how'd you become King, then?
Arthur: The Lady of the Lake,... [Angel chorus begins singing in background] her arm clad in the purest shimmering samite, held aloft Excalibur from the bosom of the water signifying by Divine Providence that I, Arthur, was to carry Excalibur. [Angel chorus ends] That is why I am your king!
Dennis: Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.
Arthur: Be quiet!
Dennis: But you can't expect to wield supreme executive power just 'cause some watery tart threw a sword at you!
Arthur: Shut up!
Dennis: I mean, if I went 'round saying I was an emperor just because some moistened bint had lobbed a scimitar at me, they'd put me away!
Arthur: Shut up, will you? Shut up! [Grabs Dennis and shakes him]
Dennis: Ah, now we see the violence inherent in the system!
Arthur: Shut up!
Dennis: Oh! Come and see the violence inherent in the system! Help! Help! I'm being repressed!
Arthur: Bloody peasant!
Dennis: Oh, what a give-away. Did you hear that? Did you hear that, eh? That's what I'm on about. Did you see him repressing me? You saw it, didn't you?

[BCPVP]

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I'm not sure if you've looked around lately, but justice is already a commodity to be bought and sold, and if you currently can't afford whatever price justice costs, you are dependent upon charity. And since that "charity" is usually provided by the very government which is exacting the price, you are usually SOL under government.

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I realize that the "rich" can afford "better" attorneys and are more likely to get off, but at least under the current system there is a garuantee of "your day in court".

Another question: what type of punishment would be dealt out to those who commit serious crimes such as rape and murder? The punishments couldn't just be monetary. Surely these people can't be allowed to run free. So are there going to be private jails? What authority would PrisonMart have to lock me up? In the case where monetary damage is the judgement of JusticeMart, what's to stop me from refusing to pay?

[jaxmike]

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What's anarchocapitalism?

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I'm not sure, but this is what an anarcho-syndicalist commune is

Arthur: Old woman!
Dennis: MAN!
Arthur: Man, sorry. What knight lives in that castle over there?
Dennis: I'm 37.
Arthur: What?
Dennis: I'm 37! I'm not old!
Arthur: Well, I can't just call you "man".
Dennis: You could say "Dennis".
Arthur: I didn't know you were called Dennis.
Dennis: Well you didn't bother to find out, did you?
Arthur: I did say I'm sorry about the "old woman", but from behind you looked...
Dennis: What I object to is you automatically treatin' me like an inferior.
Arthur: Well, I am king.
Dennis: Oh, king, eh - very nice. And how'd you get that, then? By exploiting the workers! By hanging on to outdated imperialist dogma which perpetuates the economic and social differences in our society. If there's ever going to be any progress...
Dennis' Mother: Dennis, Dennis! There's some lovely filth down here. Oh, how'd you do?
Arthur: How'd you do good lady? I am Arthur, king of the Britons. Whose castle is that?
Dennis' Mother: King of the who?
Arthur: The Britons.
Dennis' Mother: Who are the Britons?
Arthur: We all are. We are all Britons, and I am your king.
Dennis' Mother: I didn't know we had a king. I thought we were an autonomous collective.
Dennis: You're foolin' yourself. We're living in a dictatorship! A self-perpetuating autocracy in which the working class...
Dennis' Mother: Oh there you go bringing class into it again!
Dennis: But that's what it's all about! If only people would realise...
Arthur: Please, please good people. I am in haste. Who lives in that castle?
Dennis' Mother: No one lives there.
Arthur: Then who is your lord?
Dennis' Mother: We don't have a lord.
Arthur: What?!
Dennis: I told you. We're an anarcho-syndicalist commune. We take it in turns to act as sort of supreme executive officer for the week.
Arthur: Yes.
Dennis: But all the decisions of that officer have to be ratified at a special biweekly meeting...
Arthur: Yes, I see.
Dennis:...by a simple majority. In the case of purely internal affairs...
Arthur: Be quiet.
Dennis:...require two thirds majority. In the case of old ladys...
Arthur: Be quiet! I order you to be quiet!
Dennis' Mother: Order, eh? Who does he think he is?
Arthur: I am your king!
Dennis' Mother: Well, I didn't vote for you.
Arthur: You don't vote for kings.
Dennis' Mother: Well, how'd you become King, then?
Arthur: The Lady of the Lake,... [Angel chorus begins singing in background] her arm clad in the purest shimmering samite, held aloft Excalibur from the bosom of the water signifying by Divine Providence that I, Arthur, was to carry Excalibur. [Angel chorus ends] That is why I am your king!
Dennis: Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.
Arthur: Be quiet!
Dennis: But you can't expect to wield supreme executive power just 'cause some watery tart threw a sword at you!
Arthur: Shut up!
Dennis: I mean, if I went 'round saying I was an emperor just because some moistened bint had lobbed a scimitar at me, they'd put me away!
Arthur: Shut up, will you? Shut up! [Grabs Dennis and shakes him]
Dennis: Ah, now we see the violence inherent in the system!
Arthur: Shut up!
Dennis: Oh! Come and see the violence inherent in the system! Help! Help! I'm being repressed!
Arthur: Bloody peasant!
Dennis: Oh, what a give-away. Did you hear that? Did you hear that, eh? That's what I'm on about. Did you see him repressing me? You saw it, didn't you?

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Ahh, great movie..