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11-15-2007, 12:19 AM
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Re: Phil Hellmuth best holdem player by far
I love how he says stuff like "I used to crush all the cash games 10 years ago."
I wonder if he has any idea how incredibly soft those games must've been back then compared to today's games. I mean, live poker NOW is soft, can you imagine pre-poker boom cash games? mmmmmm 
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11-15-2007, 12:24 AM
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Re: Phil Hellmuth best holdem player by far
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I love how he says stuff like "I used to crush all the cash games 10 years ago." I wonder if he has any idea how incredibly soft those games must've been back then compared to today's games. I mean, live poker NOW is soft, can you imagine pre-poker boom cash games? mmmmmm [/ QUOTE ] lol. why would preboom games be softer?
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11-15-2007, 12:25 AM
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Re: Phil Hellmuth best holdem player by far
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I love how he says stuff like "I used to crush all the cash games 10 years ago." I wonder if he has any idea how incredibly soft those games must've been back then compared to today's games. I mean, live poker NOW is soft, can you imagine pre-poker boom cash games? mmmmmm [/ QUOTE ] LOL, cash games pre-poker boom were much more difficult than today. It's also why you could rarely find a NL or PL game.
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11-15-2007, 02:05 AM
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Re: Phil Hellmuth best holdem player by far
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[ QUOTE ] I love how he says stuff like "I used to crush all the cash games 10 years ago." I wonder if he has any idea how incredibly soft those games must've been back then compared to today's games. I mean, live poker NOW is soft, can you imagine pre-poker boom cash games? mmmmmm [/ QUOTE ] LOL, cash games pre-poker boom were much more difficult than today. It's also why you could rarely find a NL or PL game. [/ QUOTE ] Level? Please?
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11-15-2007, 02:13 AM
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Re: Phil Hellmuth best holdem player by far
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I love how he says stuff like "I used to crush all the cash games 10 years ago." I wonder if he has any idea how incredibly soft those games must've been back then compared to today's games. I mean, live poker NOW is soft, can you imagine pre-poker boom cash games? mmmmmm [/ QUOTE ] LOL, cash games pre-poker boom were much more difficult than today. It's also why you could rarely find a NL or PL game. [/ QUOTE ] Level? Please? [/ QUOTE ] srsly Someone with a ton of NL experience back then was probably someone who had played like 10,000 hands lifetime. Now with all the info available, with people who have played millions of hands and studied the game with tools like Pokerstove (keep in mind the Hellmuth who apparently crushed these games was the same one who thought AKo was a favorite over AK suited).... geez pre-boom games must've been 5x softer. If they were tough it would only be because they were incredibly nitty, or maybe you could argue that there's so much more just complete dead tourist money today in live games, but still with not even the best players being that good by today's standards, NL back then must've been cake.
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11-15-2007, 02:19 AM
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Re: Phil Hellmuth best holdem player by far
Phil Hellmuth is also in the top 3-4 Ohama8 and Razz players in the world, in addition to being the premier Hold'Em player in both tournaments and the side games.
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11-15-2007, 03:10 AM
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Re: Phil Hellmuth best holdem player by far
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I love how he says stuff like "I used to crush all the cash games 10 years ago." I wonder if he has any idea how incredibly soft those games must've been back then compared to today's games. I mean, live poker NOW is soft, can you imagine pre-poker boom cash games? mmmmmm [/ QUOTE ] LOL, cash games pre-poker boom were much more difficult than today. It's also why you could rarely find a NL or PL game. [/ QUOTE ] Level? Please? [/ QUOTE ] srsly Someone with a ton of NL experience back then was probably someone who had played like 10,000 hands lifetime. Now with all the info available, with people who have played millions of hands and studied the game with tools like Pokerstove (keep in mind the Hellmuth who apparently crushed these games was the same one who thought AKo was a favorite over AK suited).... geez pre-boom games must've been 5x softer. If they were tough it would only be because they were incredibly nitty, or maybe you could argue that there's so much more just complete dead tourist money today in live games, but still with not even the best players being that good by today's standards, NL back then must've been cake. [/ QUOTE ] the games then were the same as the games now. remember 10 years ago there was only 1 big bet game in the entire city of los angeles. and the players who crushed that game are still the exact same crew that crushes the big games at commerce now exept back then they were all at the same table and now you can choose between 50 different tables w/ a new 22 year old donk trying to break in every minute of every day of the week.
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11-17-2007, 05:29 PM
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Re: Phil Hellmuth best holdem player by far
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Someone with a ton of NL experience back then was probably someone who had played like 10,000 hands lifetime. Now with all the info available, with people who have played millions of hands and studied the game with tools like Pokerstove (keep in mind the Hellmuth who apparently crushed these games was the same one who thought AKo was a favorite over AK suited).... geez pre-boom games must've been 5x softer. [/ QUOTE ] How does this mesh with somethign Greenstein said here that the number of hands played is not important, the quality of opponent is... So someone who played one million hands against mediocre opponents would be owned by someone who played against the top players for 10,000 hands. I also think live games and online games are SO different in how you play, that experience in one is of much less importance than experience in the one you will play.
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#9
11-15-2007, 12:25 AM
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Re: Phil Hellmuth best holdem player by far
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I love how he says stuff like "I used to crush all the cash games 10 years ago." I wonder if he has any idea how incredibly soft those games must've been back then compared to today's games. I mean, live poker NOW is soft, can you imagine pre-poker boom cash games? mmmmmm [/ QUOTE ] He didnt say all he said "the, but not super high limits" .... so prob 25/50 10 years ago is what he was refering to which he could still beat easily online or live his limit is probably no more than 1-200 at a successful win rate.
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#10
11-15-2007, 01:01 PM
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Re: Phil Hellmuth best holdem player by far
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I love how he says stuff like "I used to crush all the cash games 10 years ago." I wonder if he has any idea how incredibly soft those games must've been back then compared to today's games. I mean, live poker NOW is soft, can you imagine pre-poker boom cash games? mmmmmm [/ QUOTE ] as someone who has been playing for a decade (pro for 7 years), i can tell you that is NOT true. yes, the great players are better now, but the bad players are much worse these days and there are more of them.
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