Hand vs. Rizen $109 rebuy

[uclabruinz]

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The interesting question is for Rizen to answer. What hands would you call the turn push with here?

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I'd seriously consider calling with ANYTHING that beats the board here. Even a miniscule chance at a scoop makes this call much better than no chance at all. You have to figure that my push here is either a complete bluff, or a value bet with something like the J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] or better. Any lesser diamond and I'm pretty sure a thinking player is check/calling here. Based on the board and the action I'd weight it about 70/30 for my real hands vs my bluffs, which makes calling with any hand that can scoop a bluff clearly profitable.

Just my .02 with some very short analysis, I haven't really dug into it too deeply yet.

-Rizen

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No sir, what would YOU need to be holding in order to call the TURN push, if we had done that.

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No sir, what would YOU need to be holding in order to call the TURN push, if we had done that.

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I don't like the tone of that post. Maybe it is unintentional. Written communication can be ambiguous.

[uclabruinz]

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No sir, what would YOU need to be holding in order to call the TURN push, if we had done that.

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I don't like the tone of that post. Maybe it is unintentional. Written communication can be ambiguous.

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Wow, completely unintentional. My apologies for writing in a way that apparently was easily misunderstood.

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No sir, what would YOU need to be holding in order to call the TURN push, if we had done that.

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I don't like the tone of that post. Maybe it is unintentional. Written communication can be ambiguous.

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Wow, completely unintentional. My apologies for writing in a way that apparently was easily misunderstood.

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nvm. it's just me... re-reading it I understand why you would cap YOU and TURN... I always miss actual sarcasm and detect sarcasm when there isn't any...

[Jason Strasser (strassa2)]

Rizen,

I'm confused.

First of all, he's getting 2.8-1, not 1-1 on the river.

Secondly, you are telling him that you don't like his call, AND you are telling him that you expect anything that beats the board here to call your river bet...

So...

What the [censored] are you doing in this hand?

-Jason

Edit: Im a retard. I thought you had 7d 8s. Ignore me

[Jason Strasser (strassa2)]

And, in this case, when hero is drawing to half the pot, he is getting 1.4-1.

-Jason

[NoahSD]

If hero calls and splits, Rizen gets his 10.5k back and hero splits the 19k with Rizen.

[Rizen]

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The interesting question is for Rizen to answer. What hands would you call the turn push with here?

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I'd seriously consider calling with ANYTHING that beats the board here. Even a miniscule chance at a scoop makes this call much better than no chance at all. You have to figure that my push here is either a complete bluff, or a value bet with something like the J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] or better. Any lesser diamond and I'm pretty sure a thinking player is check/calling here. Based on the board and the action I'd weight it about 70/30 for my real hands vs my bluffs, which makes calling with any hand that can scoop a bluff clearly profitable.

Just my .02 with some very short analysis, I haven't really dug into it too deeply yet.

-Rizen

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No sir, what would YOU need to be holding in order to call the TURN push, if we had done that.

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Misread it I guess. I'd imagine the J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] is the WORST hand I'd even consider calling with. I'd probably need the A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] or K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] to make the call. The only other hand might be a bigger set, but if I had a bigger set we don't get to the turn without me putting money in the pot on the flop.

-Rizen

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If hero calls and splits, Rizen gets his 10.5k back and hero splits the 19k with Rizen.

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My money is already in the pot, so technically he is getting 1.4:1 I believe. I guess it really depends on how often you think I bluff here. I don't think you can put me on pure bluff much more than 1/3 of the time, but it's all speculative I suppose.

I don't like the call. I'm not necessarily saying it's a bad call, but I hate making big calls when the best case scenario for me is a chop. I seriously doubt this call is +EV, but without knowing exactly how often I make this push with complete air, it's impossible to know for sure.

-Rizen

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Rizen OP is getting 1:1 as NoahSD stated. OP would have to put in 10k to win 10k.