grrr...am I getting pushed around by this villain..? - Page 4

tannenj · #31 10-18-2007, 04:26 PM

playing the flop this way is fine. but if you suspect he's been outplaying you, reraising him on the flop ensures that you won't get outplayed/make a mistake. as played, call the turn bet.

thoman8r · #32 10-18-2007, 04:27 PM

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equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 65.681% 61.40% 04.28% 52275 3646.00 { Ac5c }
Hand 1: 34.319% 30.04% 04.28% 25573 3646.00 { 55-22, AJs+, A5s-A2s, 65s, 43s, AJo+, A5o-A2o, 65o, 43o }

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That range is insane, both as a range given flop action and as a calling range.

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a 3.75 AF is certainly capable of the flop action with this range. And this isn't his calling range most likely, but it doesn't matter (see my edit).

djj6835 · #33 10-18-2007, 04:29 PM

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equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 65.681% 61.40% 04.28% 52275 3646.00 { Ac5c }
Hand 1: 34.319% 30.04% 04.28% 25573 3646.00 { 55-22, AJs+, A5s-A2s, 65s, 43s, AJo+, A5o-A2o, 65o, 43o }

[/ QUOTE ]That range is insane, both as a range given flop action and as a calling range.

[/ QUOTE ] I agree with that range. I don't think he'll call with AJ though.

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I'm so confused. Villains limps with AJ+? Villain folds AJ on the flop but raises flop and stacks off with 22?

djj6835 · #34 10-18-2007, 04:31 PM

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playing the flop this way is fine. but if you suspect he's been outplaying you, reraising him on the flop ensures that you won't get outplayed/make a mistake. as played, call the turn bet.

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Agree that raising flop serves this purpose but doesn't achieve max value.

thoman8r · #35 10-18-2007, 04:37 PM

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equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 65.681% 61.40% 04.28% 52275 3646.00 { Ac5c }
Hand 1: 34.319% 30.04% 04.28% 25573 3646.00 { 55-22, AJs+, A5s-A2s, 65s, 43s, AJo+, A5o-A2o, 65o, 43o }

[/ QUOTE ]That range is insane, both as a range given flop action and as a calling range.

[/ QUOTE ] I agree with that range. I don't think he'll call with AJ though.

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I'm so confused. Villains limps with AJ+? Villain folds AJ on the flop but raises flop and stacks off with 22?

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How about this range.

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

26,730 games 0.005 secs 5,346,000 games/sec

Board: As 3c 4c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 53.790% 52.38% 01.41% 14002 376.00 { Ac5c }
Hand 1: 46.210% 44.80% 01.41% 11976 376.00 { 44-33, A4s-A3s, 43s, A4o-A3o, 43o }

So again, why are we not trying to get all-in on the flop?

djj6835 · #36 10-18-2007, 04:39 PM

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equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 53.790% 52.38% 01.41% 14002 376.00 { Ac5c }
Hand 1: 46.210% 44.80% 01.41% 11976 376.00 { 44-33, A4s-A3s, 43s, A4o-A3o, 43o }

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OK I stand corrected then. I was expecting to be about 50/50 against a wider calling range. All the talk about fold equity is still nonsense and shouldn't even be mentioned and like I said earlier the only reason felting this hand might be OK is bc of the straight draw. Take those three outs away and I think shoving the flop is pretty bad.

ICMoney · #37 10-18-2007, 04:52 PM

Willing to felt on this flop or a 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] is so standard. I'm felting 100% of the time on this flop.

Maybe folding equity doesn't exist at 6nl, but at 25nl, 50nl or whatever people will fold sometimes. Anyways, you are in good shape against any range.

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equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 53.790% 52.38% 01.41% 14002 376.00 { Ac5c }
Hand 1: 46.210% 44.80% 01.41% 11976 376.00 { 44-33, A4s-A3s, 43s, A4o-A3o, 43o }

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OK I stand corrected then. I was expecting to be about 50/50 against a wider calling range. All the talk about fold equity is still nonsense and shouldn't even be mentioned and like I said earlier the [b]only reason felting this hand might be OK is bc of the straight draw. Take those three outs away and I think shoving the flop is pretty bad.

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ICMoney · #38 10-18-2007, 04:56 PM

If you just call the min raise on flop, what is the best line to take if you hit/miss on turn?

I often 3b on flop w/ combos and miss on the turn.

Thanks.

Schiester · #39 10-18-2007, 04:58 PM

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3-bet him on the flop and look to get it in on the turn if you like money

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Like it!

3bet him big!

thoman8r · #40 10-18-2007, 05:07 PM

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If you just call the min raise on flop, what is the best line to take if you hit/miss on turn?

I often 3b on flop w/ combos and miss on the turn.

Thanks.

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You still want to get it in on the turn. Your equity takes a hit but it's still pretty good. I like bet-shove or CRAI but only if you're certain he'll fire again.