Bush's 4th veto of his presidency is a good one - Page 4

kidpokeher · #31 10-05-2007, 02:20 AM

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Well you (healthy American) may think you don't need it until the next drunk runs a red and it's game over for you. Just because you're currently healthy doesn't make a bit of difference five minutes in the future.

That said, I agree it is a protection racket and frankly if I'm going to be forced into paying for insurance (i.e. car insurance), I don't think companies should be making money off of me. Sure there may be some efficiencies if GEICO is competing against Allstate and State Farm but how much "competition" is really going on? Does anyone think it's anything unlike three people trying to divide up a swimming pool full of cash?

And it's not like the insurance companies are being forced to cover us in return. They can drop us whenever they want.

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I'm sorry, but I must tell you this. You are completely confused. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

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I worked 10+ years in the industry. You hurl opinions and insults on a message board.

My points, made simpler:

1) You don't get health insurance just to cover you against you. You also get it to cover you against someone else.

2) Mandates like (currently) auto insurance and (proposed) HillaryCare don't encourage competition. Rather, they promote monopolistic behavior.

3) Not everyone can get health insurance for $60/mo just because it says so on some banner ad on ehealthinsurance. Weren't you the one who in the past said someone working minimum wage could afford to insure their family?

blackize · #32 10-05-2007, 02:38 AM

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Weren't you the one who in the past said someone working minimum wage could afford to insure their family?

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People working for minimum wage shouldn't be having families. Having children should be a decision into which a couple should factor their financial situation. If they fail to do this or choose to have a child knokwing that they cannot fully provide for its care, they are being irresponsible and the rest of us should not have to forcibly bail them out.

jogsxyz · #33 10-05-2007, 01:58 PM

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Weren't you the one who in the past said someone working minimum wage could afford to insure their family?

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People working for minimum wage shouldn't be having families. Having children should be a decision into which a couple should factor their financial situation. If they fail to do this or choose to have a child knokwing that they cannot fully provide for its care, they are being irresponsible and the rest of us should not have to forcibly bail them out.

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Not if they're Catholic.

pokerbobo · #34 10-05-2007, 02:28 PM

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Weren't you the one who in the past said someone working minimum wage could afford to insure their family?

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People working for minimum wage shouldn't be having families. Having children should be a decision into which a couple should factor their financial situation. If they fail to do this or choose to have a child knokwing that they cannot fully provide for its care, they are being irresponsible and the rest of us should not have to forcibly bail them out.

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[censored] I hate when idiots say "You cant raise a family on minimum wage!" (heard alot by politicians, yes they are idiots)

No [censored] dummy. You are not supposed to raise a family on min wage. Have kids when you make more money....if you cant get a job paying more than min wage, you are too stupid or too young to become a parent.

Mempho · #35 10-05-2007, 03:37 PM

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Too bad Bush didn't veto every single bill that got put in front of him.

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Yes, his fourth veto was a good one. Why the hell wasn't it his 400th veto?

Max Raker · #36 10-05-2007, 07:13 PM

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No [censored] dummy. You are not supposed to raise a family on min wage. Have kids when you make more money....if you cant get a job paying more than min wage, you are too stupid or too young to become a parent.

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I hate when people stay stuff like this. Yes, people should only have kids if they can afford them. All you have to do is convince every [censored] person in the country to act this way. While you're at it, why not get every criminal to stop commiting crimes.

Our choices in the real world are between letting a bunch of kids have horrible to no health care or to steal money from other people to get them health care. None of those sound great but thats the place we are in.

dhattis333 · #37 10-05-2007, 10:34 PM

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The Dems actually have a shot at overriding this veto. It passed the Senate with a veto-proof majority and they need 15 more GOP votes in the House (they have 40) to override.

As for the merits, you all know my view on health care. If grandstanding and blowharding results in more accessible health care, I'm all for it.

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If lying to the people gets them to pass laws they don't actually want, you're all for it? How very democratic of you.

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From Non-Partisan Factcheck.org:
http://www.factcheck.org/bushs_false...insurance.html

AlexM · #38 10-05-2007, 10:59 PM

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The Dems actually have a shot at overriding this veto. It passed the Senate with a veto-proof majority and they need 15 more GOP votes in the House (they have 40) to override.

As for the merits, you all know my view on health care. If grandstanding and blowharding results in more accessible health care, I'm all for it.

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If lying to the people gets them to pass laws they don't actually want, you're all for it? How very democratic of you.

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From Non-Partisan Factcheck.org:
http://www.factcheck.org/bushs_false...insurance.html

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How wonderfully irrelevant.

VarlosZ · #39 10-06-2007, 02:38 AM

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People working for minimum wage shouldn't be having families. Having children should be a decision into which a couple should factor their financial situation. If they fail to do this or choose to have a child knokwing that they cannot fully provide for its care, they are being irresponsible and the rest of us should not have to forcibly bail them out.

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That may be fine as a morality issue, but basing public policy on the theory that poor people shouldn't have kids is every bit as misguided as basing it on the theory that everyone should want to give all of their disposable income to the less fortunate.

(That said, I have no opinion on the bill in question because I'm not sufficiently well informed.)

Francis_MH · #40 10-06-2007, 04:30 AM

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No [censored] dummy. You are not supposed to raise a family on min wage. Have kids when you make more money....if you cant get a job paying more than min wage, you are too stupid or too young to become a parent.

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I hate when people stay stuff like this. Yes, people should only have kids if they can afford them. All you have to do is convince every [censored] person in the country to act this way. While you're at it, why not get every criminal to stop commiting crimes.

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And try getting criminals, pokerbobo, who are rapidly increasing because you didn't give a [censored] about them when they were young to listen to you now. That's the problem with you [censored] ideologues who think, as is here, everyone is going to or should do exact financial analysis of their respective situations before having children. People have sex. Accidents happen, but if someone makes a mistake, f 'em. (According to you) Be realistic. Go ahead, ignore all the poor people now, and in 20 years you will have a bunch of people our age ready to [censored] your ass up because they have to eat, take care of their family, and oh by the way they do not give a [censored] about any law established by a government that completely neglected them when they needed the government most. Then come talk to me about your bull [censored] ideologies of people living like robots by ignoring natural instinct and never making mistakes.