AK Move In Question

[Yeti]

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Holding an ace and king in our hand reduces the chance that anyone holds AA or KK -- however, your range for UTG raises here is too wide.

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No way.

[Lyric]

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Holding an ace and king in our hand reduces the chance that anyone holds AA or KK -- however, your range for UTG raises here is too wide.

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No way.

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Obv completely player dependant, however, most TAGs at this level are not going to be popping it with AQ UTG, and most are going to limp JJ and TT a significant amount of the time.

[curious123]

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As an aside Greenstein's general recommendation here would be to jam w/ <8*opp's bet (see AoTR).

[/ QUOTE ]HUH? are you saying his recommendation is only if opponent raises to 200 (assume no cold callers), only push AK if you have less than 1600? that can't be right.

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I should clarify. Looking back he says "this is the play he "normally" makes when he has less than 8*the raise" [paraphrased], not that he won't ever jam w/ more.

Personally I think 10* would be a much better general figure.

[curious123]

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Obv completely player dependant, however, most TAGs at this level are not going to be popping it with AQ UTG, and most are going to limp JJ and TT a significant amount of the time.

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Is this really the case?

[whitelime]

I would say it could be as little as 3k. Here's why:

If you reraise to say 1100 w/ the intention of betting/calling all-in on any flop, you will get some incorrect folds from your opponent on the flop. Once in a while he'll call your preflop raise with AK, TT, 99, etc. and the board will be unfavorable enough for him to not call an all-in whereas he would either be ahead or tied with you.

As a result, reraising to 1100 would show a higher EV.

[waxie]

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why are your questions always about moving in pf? in a 9 handed game this doesnt happen much.

[/ QUOTE ] I'm sure I'll get flamed for saying this, but I think pre-flop decisions in a full-handed game are where a lot of the mistakes are made.

[tdarko]

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$200 raise + 3 callers of $200 + your call of $200 + SB of $25 = $1025. 3xpot raise is calling $200 and raising 3x$1025 on top. So it's to $3275.

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wow, it would help if read the post right huh? [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img].

i thought there was two callers which would have been the $200 raise + 2 callers of $200 + Hero's call of $200 + $25= $825 on top. so then 3X the pot would have been ~2500. sorry, i can't read.

[Some Pig]

I'd move in with $1000 or less. Anything over, I'll slowplay call.

[BobboFitos]

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why are your questions always about moving in pf? in a 9 handed game this doesnt happen much.

[/ QUOTE ] I'm sure I'll get flamed for saying this, but I think pre-flop decisions in a full-handed game are where a lot of the mistakes are made.

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I agree 100%, but the decisions which are errors are (as I said) the calls, raises, limps, etc. not the big all in decisions (largely because they dont happen enough)

[El Diablo]

All,

I think this question is more interesting if you answer (given the pre-flop action) what range of stack size you push with each of AQ/AK/99/AA there.