Craps: Any validity in precision shooting?

[SheetWise]

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Also a newcomer here - and a dice setting believer. My observation is that more and more casinos are resurfacing their tables to add more cushion, making it more difficult for controlled shooters to "drop" the dice off the back wall.

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This is simply adding credibility to the "dice setting" proponents -- By adding counter-measures, their offense is validated. Any idiot who's read Sun Tzu would know this response. And while most of the floor personnel in a casino are idiots -- there is management. The 1 out of 100 who understands strategy would do exactly as you expect, making it "more difficult" but not "impossible" -- wiping the sweat from their brow as they navigated and defended themselves from your tautological strategy.

[NajdorfDefense]

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BPB

The OP asked the question of setting the dice or precision shooting. I said it doesnt matter what anyone does with the dice before they shoot. Its all variance and Luck. No skill involved whatsoever.

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You are wrong. Magicians have trained themselves - to just quote a random example not using dice - to take a regular playing card and 'pass' it back in forth with their fingertips held shoulder-width apart.

Literally, push a playing card with an index finger back and forth btw hands, over a 2' wide space, no tricks, no wires, no strings. It took Ricky Jay 8-10 years of practicing an hour every day to master that skill.

The same dedication applied to dice throwing, hitting below the knobbed pyramids, would certainly become somewhat non-random, adjusting for huge variance, of course. Most people won't spend 3650 hours perfecting this skill though, and eventually the casino would step in if you always hit the low part of the wall and won.

[DWarrior]

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BPB

The OP asked the question of setting the dice or precision shooting. I said it doesnt matter what anyone does with the dice before they shoot. Its all variance and Luck. No skill involved whatsoever.

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You are wrong. Magicians have trained themselves - to just quote a random example not using dice - to take a regular playing card and 'pass' it back in forth with their fingertips held shoulder-width apart.

Literally, push a playing card with an index finger back and forth btw hands, over a 2' wide space, no tricks, no wires, no strings. It took Ricky Jay 8-10 years of practicing an hour every day to master that skill.

The same dedication applied to dice throwing, hitting below the knobbed pyramids, would certainly become somewhat non-random, adjusting for huge variance, of course. Most people won't spend 3650 hours perfecting this skill though, and eventually the casino would step in if you always hit the low part of the wall and won.

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Also people learn to rig coin flips.

If you learned to shoot with precision, you could always throw in the same spot but start differently so you lose, thereby eliminating the risk of getting caught.

[mingorama]

DI (Dice Influencing) is real. The very fact that so many people doubt this is also part of the reason why casinos have yet to directly address it. It's not nearly as prevalent as card-counting for blackjack became (which meant less and less casinos offering to stay on soft 17, allow splitting aces, and more places now offering only the 6 to 5 blackjack payout on double-deck games), but that does not mean it doesn't exist. I wish AlienBoy would post, as he's studied this technique and has employed it at small stakes.

[Jimbo]

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DI (Dice Influencing) is real. . The very fact that so many people doubt this is also part of the reason ....

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Aliens from Jupiter must be real too using the same reasoning.

Jimbo

[Sevenfold]

Here is the problem---

If: Precision shooting could be done, it would be exremely rare, or the casinos would have dealt with it quickly.

Anyone who invested the thousands of hours to develop it would have a rare skill indeed, something like those unicyclists that can throw dishes onto their heads---not something that could be taught in a weekend or in a book.

So you have this ability that nets you a hefty$$. What do you do? Brag to your friends? Post a blog? Join 2+2 and tell all?

Not saying it is definitely out there, but anyone who can do it isn't posting in here.

[GSykes]

No such thing as dice setting, just natural born shooters.

[SheetWise]

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No such thing as dice setting, just natural born shooters.

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Serious? Or are you shooting me?

[GSykes]

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No such thing as dice setting, just natural born shooters.

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Serious? Or are you shooting me?

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I've been a natural born shooter betting the don't pass for many years son.

[govman6767]

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No such thing as dice setting, just natural born shooters.

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Serious? Or are you shooting me?

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I've been a natural born shooter betting the don't pass for many years son.

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