*********To All CEO Poker Tour Participants******

[Cornell Fiji]

Stephen,

It stings me when you sling insults at Greg. While I know he is a big boy and he can defend himself (just ask the guys who attacked him about that) he came here on his own volition to address the CEO poker problem.

He personally made sure that there were discussions about the CEO scandal with the higher ups at the PPA and his discussions helped prompt Maria to make her statement (which obviously turned out to be highly insufficient.)

After the statement he came here to say that he would no longer associate with the CEO Poker Tour but he did not state what his future actions would be.

Greg is a former lawyer. He is too smart to come on here and make promises on behalf of the PPA. He is not going to make a promise without discussing it through proper channels. I am sure that the reason that he has not responded to you with the exact plan that the PPA will be taking is because he is advocating your position to the higher ups at the PPA and they have not yet reached a decision. There is bureaucracy that slows down actions of organizations like the PPA, you should be thankful that you have someone like Greg to advance your claim through their organizational red tape.

I am confident that in the end the PPA will support you in your fight and if they do support you it will be a credit to the help that Greg Raymer provided during private PPA conversations.

Right now he is surely advocating your position, please be patient before you start to challenge his good name.

(Note: If it turns out that the PPA does not support your fight then slam Greg all you want but he has done enough for the community and has been a staunch advocate of players rights so we should give him the benefit of the doubt that he is helping despite his silence)


-Steve

[Dranoel]

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Stephen,

It stings me when you sling insults at Greg. While I know he is a big boy and he can defend himself (just ask the guys who attacked him about that) he came here on his own volition to address the CEO poker problem.

He personally made sure that there were discussions about the CEO scandal with the higher ups at the PPA and his discussions helped prompt Maria to make her statement (which obviously turned out to be highly insufficient.)

After the statement he came here to say that he would no longer associate with the CEO Poker Tour but he did not state what his future actions would be.

Greg is a former lawyer. He is too smart to come on here and make promises on behalf of the PPA. He is not going to make a promise without discussing it through proper channels. I am sure that the reason that he has not responded to you with the exact plan that the PPA will be taking is because he is advocating your position to the higher ups at the PPA and they have not yet reached a decision. There is bureaucracy that slows down actions of organizations like the PPA, you should be thankful that you have someone like Greg to advance your claim through their organizational red tape.

I am confident that in the end the PPA will support you in your fight and if they do support you it will be a credit to the help that Greg Raymer provided during private PPA conversations.

Right now he is surely advocating your position, please be patient before you start to challenge his good name.

(Note: If it turns out that the PPA does not support your fight then slam Greg all you want but he has done enough for the community and has been a staunch advocate of players rights so we should give him the benefit of the doubt that he is helping despite his silence)


-Steve

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I agree 100%.

Greg has done more for us than anyone else associated with the PPA (that we are aware of). These things take time. We are not watching an episode of Law & Order. There will not be a speedy 1 day (or 1 month) resolution.

It seems from my phone call to the PPA, Stephen's conversation with his attorney, & Greg's involvement that the snowball is rolling. Give it time to see where it goes & how big it gets.

From the PPA web site:

<font color="blue">WHO IS THE POKER PLAYERS ALLIANCE?
The Poker Players Alliance is a nonprofit membership organization comprised of poker players and enthusiasts from around the United States who have joined together to speak with one voice to promote the game, ensure its integrity, and, most importantly, to protect poker players' rights.</font>

I can't see the PPA sitting out on the sidelines for this one. The backlash would be devastating to them.

[stephenNUTS]

Point well taken,and I apologize if my words were biting,but as a director of the PPA,it would not have hurt either for him to shoot me a PM as I asked nicely, and basically re-iterate what you guys just said,with a few reassurring choice words of encouragement,without any harm to him or the PPA?

I understand though ,and alot of my vented anger, towards the CEO Poker Tour has unfortunately not been well timed [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]
I think its best, if I just keep my mouth shut,and let my lawyers deal with this,and even though the costs are coming out of my own pocket,if I AT LEAST STOP [censored] like this CEO TOUR garbage from happening to other innocent poker players in the future...... then I have made a pro-active contribution to the game in more ways than one!

~stephen feraca

[RoundTower]

my details sent to Stephen.

[GaryTheGoat]

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most importantly, to protect poker players' rights.

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What are poker players' rights? To play or not to play, that is the (only?) question?

[ericicecream]

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most importantly, to protect poker players' rights.

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What are poker players' rights? To play or not to play, that is the (only?) question?

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In this case, to be given honest information about the distribution of prize money in the event they play in.

[frommagio]

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Point well taken,and I apologize if my words were biting,but as a director of the PPA,it would not have hurt either for him to shoot me a PM as I asked nicely, and basically re-iterate what you guys just said,with a few reassurring choice words of encouragement,without any harm to him or the PPA?

I understand though ,and alot of my vented anger, towards the CEO Poker Tour has unfortunately not been well timed [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]
I think its best, if I just keep my mouth shut,and let my lawyers deal with this,and even though the costs are coming out of my own pocket,if I AT LEAST STOP [censored] like this CEO TOUR garbage from happening to other innocent poker players in the future...... then I have made a pro-active contribution to the game in more ways than one!

~stephen feraca

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Stephen - I think you just made a good call there.

First of all, let me say that I completely agree that you were wronged individually, and that all the CEO Poker tournament players have been wronged as a group. I wish you good luck in pursuing your claims.

However, as for your comments (and I hate to say this): every time you open your mouth, you weaken your position.

If you don't treat others with respect, don't expect to win allies and friends easily. And if you don't care enough about your issues to express your arguments in standard written English, don't expect to influence people.

In an earlier post, you defended your third grade writing style as being an expression of your own individuality. That's fine, but you should also be aware of the costs. You're not going to convince others by personal insult, wild grammar, random capitalization/punctuation, and scatter-shot free association. In fact, even those who agree with you might not be willing to read through the drivel to recognize that fact. And like it or not, your writing is drivel - no matter how you feel about it.

Once again, good luck in pursuing your rightful claim. I hope you take this in the spirit that I wrote it, as a constructive criticism.

When you're in a hole, you need to stop digging. Listen to your lawyer, and please consider asking a mature and literate friend to review your future public communications before posting them.

[stephenNUTS]

Fromaggio,
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And like it or not, your writing is drivel - no matter how you feel about it.


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I have once again tried to help out all the 2+2'ers on this forum ,with this time it being at my expense and time, in a very serious,and potential criminal matter,only to be met with someones biggest concern,being my writing style once again?

If a couple of comments were made by me,that I have since apologized repeatedly for, are making your balls twist in the wind,then again I am sorry,but I am certainly NOT going to be picked apart on every personal flaw I may have over and over again!

It seems like I will just pursue this on my own in quiet fashion,and as you agreed with me, by keeping my mouth shut.

I just cant please everyone here . I have done/uncovered more than anybody related to this case,and it seems that once again someone has to worry about grammar,punctuation,etc.I think I have been very respectful with regard to 95% of my posts/remarks on this matter,and the other 5% were comments made out of frustration,with subsequent aopologies or explanations

There are alot more people on 2+2 who DONT care about my writing style,and have been quite appreciative as well as supportive regarding my efforts.

Alot of people were fleeced,or at the very least mis-led out of alot of monies,and I am tring to do something constructive,and this is your input on the subject,and your major beef with me?

I dont know Greg Raymer,and he seems like a stand-up guy with good intentions,but the relationship with the PPA and the CEO Poker Tour are seriously questioned here IMO,but since his name came up,it seems like the core point of the issue has shifted

Good Luck Guys,
~stephen feraca

[doublejoker]

Steven feel free to use the complete list of CEO Poker events with juice indicated on my other thread...They took about 20% from nearly every event

[Mason Malmuth]

Hi Stephen:

No one gets attacked more in the Internet/poker world than I do. It's just part of what Internet forums like ours are about. But I have learned to just take them in stride and concentrate on those matters that are important and not worry about unimportant details.

Best wishes,
Mason