I don't understand the point of straddling... - Page 4

brettbrettr · #31 07-20-2007, 01:21 PM

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PS: Straddling in a limit game is pure gamble, it has little strategic results except to help loosen the table for a hand.

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Unless you're playing 3-4 handed and if 4, the button folds lots.

Off Duty · #32 07-20-2007, 01:27 PM

It helps if you're the squeekiest player at the table if you want to straddle.

It doesn't work if everybody is real short.

It's also a hell of a lot of fun to do - with or without a table full of drunks.

Humbled · #33 07-20-2007, 01:44 PM

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Yes, they have the Miss straddle in Tunica.
You are allowed to straddle from any non-blind position and the pre-flop play begins to the left of the straddler.

So if I straddle on the button then preflop it's up to the SB right-away as to whether to call or not.

While the ideas in here are correct regarding why a good player might want to straddle it only answers part of the question.Why he should want to do this is to inflate the pot, have a loose image, etc.
Why most others are doing it is because they like to play a little bit crazy and gamble it up which includes such things as live-straddling and checking or betting in the dark, etc.

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Bob this is only for NL games right? In a 4-8 game you can only stradle from one position (Left of the blinds). Am I correct here?

brettbrettr · #34 07-20-2007, 01:51 PM

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It helps if you're the squeekiest player at the table if you want to straddle.

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Meh, you're better off 3 betting light in position with a playable but not great hand than 2 betting blind OOP.

*TT* · #35 07-20-2007, 02:10 PM

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Yes, they have the Miss straddle in Tunica.
You are allowed to straddle from any non-blind position and the pre-flop play begins to the left of the straddler.

So if I straddle on the button then preflop it's up to the SB right-away as to whether to call or not.

While the ideas in here are correct regarding why a good player might want to straddle it only answers part of the question.Why he should want to do this is to inflate the pot, have a loose image, etc.
Why most others are doing it is because they like to play a little bit crazy and gamble it up which includes such things as live-straddling and checking or betting in the dark, etc.

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Bob this is only for NL games right? In a 4-8 game you can only stradle from one position (Left of the blinds). Am I correct here?

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It depends on the room/game. There is a legendary limit Badugi game in NC where if the Mississippi Straddle is on, all future streets are played at the size of the straddle. So if they are playing 200/400, and someone straddles to 1,000, then all future streets are 1,000 as well. Totally sick, its mathematically not a good strategy for that game yet people love to gambool!

PS: Bret is correct. If your image is an overly-tight player its better to loosen up in position with some light 3-bets than to straddle.

steamboatin · #36 07-20-2007, 03:03 PM

caesar's In now has the Mississippi straddle. There, UTG gets first chance to straddle and it continues around to the button. Usually only one or two people are straddlers so it isn't a competition to see who gets the straddle.

RR · #37 07-20-2007, 03:08 PM

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caesar's In now has the Mississippi straddle. There, UTG gets first chance to straddle and it continues around to the button. Usually only one or two people are straddlers so it isn't a competition to see who gets the straddle.

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They do it wrong there. I have seen button gets first option around to the SB (yes I have seen a SB post the MS straddle). I have also seen button gets first option, then UTG, the counterclockwise from the cut off.

sightless · #38 07-20-2007, 03:16 PM

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Alternatively there is the Mississippi straddle which is on the button. If your card room allows it and your a strong post-flop NL player than this can be so ideal that to pass on your straddle oportunity would be -EV if the conditions are right.

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What would be the right conditions ):?

*TT* · #39 07-20-2007, 03:52 PM

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caesar's In now has the Mississippi straddle. There, UTG gets first chance to straddle and it continues around to the button. Usually only one or two people are straddlers so it isn't a competition to see who gets the straddle.

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They do it wrong there. I have seen button gets first option around to the SB (yes I have seen a SB post the MS straddle). I have also seen button gets first option, then UTG, the counterclockwise from the cut off.

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RR is (as usual) correct. Button traditionally gets the first option. All the times I have played with a MS active it was either only on the button or the UTG had the next option working its way clockwise.

Rick Nebiolo · #40 07-20-2007, 04:09 PM

Quick story. About a year ago on the poker web-cast "Live at the Bike" we were playing 3-5 blind 300-500 spread buyin NL and the table was for the most part full of tightish (for LA [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] ) regulars or semi-regulars. We could see the show was going to be terrible with small pots so we agreed to straddle the whole night. One guy who wasn't a regular held out. I gave him no action that night and neither did anyone else.

~ Rick

PS Nate's comments on straddling are very good.