Lienart, Bush are both better than V Young

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2k1 7-9
2k2 9-6-1
2k3 5-11
2k4 11-5
2k5 8-8

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As a starting QB, Vick has one of the highest winning percentages of any QB in the league. Last I checked, he was behind only Brady and McNabb.

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Do you really think that a team has a good chance of going deep with Vick at QB? A QB who generally only relies on physical ability has little upside and will only go so far as his supporting cast takes him. The NFL is too fast of a league to rely on a QB who has to scramble on every other 3rd and 5.

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Mike Vick didn't lose many of those games for the Falcons this year. The defense did or kicking game did.

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A QB who generally only relies on physical ability has little upside and will only go so far as his supporting cast takes him

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Huh? Talk about a non-statement. Has there ever been a Super Bowl champion QB that didnt have a good supporting cast? I cant think of any offhand, but there are a lot of a people in the forum who have a better knowledge of sports history that might be able to make a case that a team won a Super Bowl with a great QB and a mediocre team surrounding him.

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A QB who generally only relies on physical ability has little upside and will only go so far as his supporting cast takes him

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Huh? Talk about a non-statement. Has there ever been a Super Bowl champion QB that didnt have a good supporting cast? I cant think of any offhand, but there are a lot of a people in the forum who have a better knowledge of sports history that might be able to make a case that a team won a Super Bowl with a great QB and a mediocre team surrounding him.

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in the modern NFL, it's more likely a great team (great defense, running game, not prone to mistakes, etc) carries a mediocre QB to a title. there really aren't a lot of 'great' QB's in the league.

Think of the best QB's of the last 20 years or so:

John Elway didn't get his titles until his team had a great running game.

Marino was an exceptional talent who obviously never won a SB.

Montana was great, but had great WR's, RB's, and usually a very good defense and coaching staff when he won.

Tom Brady has a great defense, one of the best coaches/gameplanners ever, and (more recently) good talent at WR, RB, and OL.

Peyton Manning is worse this year than either of his previous 2 years, but his team finally is the favorite b/c of the defense and overall balance.