Observed a player steal from another while coloring down. My action?

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punks don't steal grandmas..

[Lord_Strife]

"It's a sin to let a sucker keep his money"


Honestly I'm not sure if I would have said anything only because it's not my business. I'd say like 40% saying something joking or casual and like 60% nothing. It could also be a legitimate mistake from the guy that allegedly stole too, because five chips for a 20 stack is normal when dealing with reds and whites, so doing five for a 20 stack would occasionally make sense to me if I'm in the middle of a hand. As far as the "bad karma" conversation goes, that could literally be anything. Two friends might be joking about him hooking up with a cocktail waitress and ignoring her or any number of things.

Is all of this the most likely case? Probably not, but you cannot rule it out.

[LuckyTxGuy]

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I am not surprised at all that a "buddy-buddy" dealer wouldn't say anything if he didn't see it because he was busy with his job at hand, that of running a poker game.

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A few hands later he's still talking about karma, looks at the dealer, and says something like "Tell him the type of bad karma he's getting into." I'm in the 10 seat so I can't see the expression on the dealer's face but I presume the dealer saw it as well, as it was a seat 5/seat 6 transaction directly in front of him.

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He was under the assumption the dealer saw it and he was there at the table I wasn't. I'm going off the OP's story.

As for a "buddy-buddy" dealer letting this slip....it wouldn't surprise me at all by select few dealers. I do not think this is the norm but we've all see the regulars, whom the dealers know by name, get by with things that would get a tourist reprimanded. Sometimes I think the reason nothing is said is not because the dealer doesn't care, but because they are "friends" with the regular and it's alot harder to reprimand a friend than a total stranger. This case is a prime example, it's much more uncomfortable to basically call a friend a thief and tell him to give the chip back, than it is a tourist who'll you'll never see again.

Again, I think this is the exception, not rule. But anyone who has played in enough poker rooms has run across this before.

[csuf_gambl0o0r]

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Are all of you guys losers without backbones? Whats with all this "i would of jokingly said", "in a non accusing voice", etc, and worst of all, just remain silent altogether.

The guy str8 up stole $25, from a rookie no less. And all you guys are gonna do is just be playful with the guy? Or worst of all, not say anything at all?

Please explain to me cause i am having a hard time understanding this. Is stealing at the poker table any different then stealing from any other facet of life?

My post may sound harsh but all you guys seriously need to grow a set of balls. What you should do in this situation(what i would do), is to tell seat 5 to immediatly return the extra chip that doesnt belong to him in a stern voice. Non of this joking, non accusing, nonsense. Why would you even use a "non accusing voice" when that is exactly what he did(stole)? I'd prolly go a step further and made sure that the whole table knew that he tried to steal a chip from the novice.

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There is no need to cause a big deal and make someone feel like the [censored] that he is when you have to sit at a poker table for hours on end with the guy.

If you say it "joking" then the guy gets the chip back, and thats the end of it.

Taking your action is a good way to slow the game down and piss everyone off. I hate when people make a big deal about things, the floor gets called over, the game stops, the guy is mad, your mad. There is no point in being an ass about it and making a big deal and dragging it on for hours.

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I agree that some situations require a little more subtle and low key approach. For example, in this thread i insisted on NOT calling the floor as the situation wasnt appropriate,
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...=0#Post11092170

However, the OP's situation is MUCH different. It is about a scumbag committing str8 up theft. I don't see whats so hard to understand, the guy STOLE money from someone else and its like you guys dont even give a [censored].

This scumbag commits theft and all you guys are worried about is not pissing him off and making him mad?!?! WTF?!?! Am I missing something here?


The apathy in this thread is incredible. You guys are the same people who let Kitty Genovese get stabbed/murdered/raped without batting an eye.

I hope one of these days, yo mamas get robbed and no one so much as turns their head to help. Then you'll know what it feels like. Maybe then, your attitudes will change.

[MicroBob]

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Honestly I'm not sure if I would have said anything only because it's not my business.

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I could see a dude pick somebody's pocket for his wallet and decide not to say anything because it technically isn't my business.
But that would be pretty pathetic.

I don't know why OP needs a sign there to tell him the right thing to do in this case.
And I don't know why anybody here would only be a 'maybe' about saying something.

I wouldn't be stern or rude about it because I probably want the creepy guy in the game because he probably sucks and I don't want things to be super-tense at the table just for everyone's sake...especially the guy he just tried to steal from who is still sitting right next to him and who I want to still be having a fun time at the game and want to return.

[Brad1970]

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5/10 NL last night at Resorts EC. Seat 6 is a total novice with no clue whats going on. He's playing almost entirely in green. Seat 5 is a regular in this game and stuck a few racks. All the dealers and floor people know him by name, nickname(s), and by all the big hands he's won/lost.

Situation: Seat 6 is in a hand. Seat 5 asks if he wants some color to play with and pulls out a stack of red. Seat 6 accepts the stack and tosses over 5 green, still thinking about the hand he's in. Seat 5 looks at the green, then decides to pick it up like nothing happened. Seat 8, friend of seat 5, sees this and starts saying something about "bad karma, bad bad karma." A few hands later he's still talking about karma, looks at the dealer, and says something like "Tell him the type of bad karma he's getting into." I'm in the 10 seat so I can't see the expression on the dealer's face but I presume the dealer saw it as well, as it was a seat 5/seat 6 transaction directly in front of him.

I'm in the 10 seat, not involved in the hand and not wanting to make enemies at the table. Should I have said something?

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FWIW, I have played in games before where everybody at the table was armed, so this douchebag wouldn't scare me nor would he get away with something like this. I'd speak up in a heartbeat. I'm a pretty easy going fella but once he made the ["Tell him the type of bad karma he's getting into."] comment, then all the 'nice-nice' comments are over. If my chip had rolled over to him & he put it in his stack...he'd only get 1 chance to return it, not 5. They might 86 me for the ass whoopin' he's about to get but it's the principle of it. [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

[mxp2004]

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The apathy in this thread is incredible. You guys are the same people who let Kitty Genovese get stabbed/murdered/raped without batting an eye.

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This analogy is a little over-the-top, don't you think? It's hard to equate the reluctance to point out a $25 error in a color-up gone bad with the willful blind eyes that all the residents of an apartment complex displayed as a brutal rape and murder occurred in a parking lot beneath their windows. Usually, someone needs to hit a two-outer on a poster before such nuclear analogies are tossed around.

[Mr Rick]

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The apathy in this thread is incredible. You guys are the same people who let Kitty Genovese get stabbed/murdered/raped without batting an eye.

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This analogy is a little over-the-top, don't you think? It's hard to equate the reluctance to point out a $25 error in a color-up gone bad with the willful blind eyes that all the residents of an apartment complex displayed as a brutal rape and murder occurred in a parking lot beneath their windows. Usually, someone needs to hit a two-outer on a poster before such nuclear analogies are tossed around.

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Actually the analogy sucks but for a different reason. Read "The Tipping Point" by Malcom Gladwell to understand the phenomenon. The reason why nobody called the police in the Kitty Genovese case was because everybody assumed somebody else had already done so. In this case, everybody who sees what is going on fails to seek help/justice knowing the guy is getting away with it.

[chesspain]

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This analogy is a little over-the-top, don't you think? It's hard to equate the reluctance to point out a $25 error in a color-up gone bad with the willful blind eyes that all the residents of an apartment complex displayed as a brutal rape and murder occurred in a parking lot beneath their windows. Usually, someone needs to hit a two-outer on a poster before such nuclear analogies are tossed around.

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Actually the analogy sucks but for a different reason. Read "The Tipping Point" by Malcom Gladwell to understand the phenomenon. The reason why nobody called the police in the Kitty Genovese case was because everybody assumed somebody else had already done so. In this case, everybody who sees what is going on fails to seek help/justice knowing the guy is getting away with it.

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This is referred to as the theory of "Diffusion of Responsibility." Indeed, the Genovese case would only be applicable to this post if the OP failed to confront the thief because he assumed that someone else would do so.

[steamboatin]

I speak up, I mention it like it was an inocent mistake.